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Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/5/2013 8:19 PM   
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Finally started the mammoth task of flitemetal to Skymaster F104. I will post the progress.... Some pictures.

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PS..Note final color scheme. Was lucky enough to go to Belgium to visit the museum...



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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/5/2013 10:22 PM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/6/2013 12:15 AM   
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How are you dealing with the molded in surface detail? Are you filling it in, then reapplying it after sanding the FM?


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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/6/2013 12:49 PM   
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Before i decided on flitemetal i had to consider the surface detail. SM have plenty of surface detail and i did not want to redo all of that. Since this is my 1st flitemetal jet with surface detail - i contacted flitemetal and told them about my problem. They assure me the surface detail will show through flitemetal! By the way - I had GREAT service from flitemetal even over the holidays...

I can confirm the detail do show right through the metal. It just need a lot of rubbing.....

This F104 was not an ARF, but kit form special order from factory. As i wanted to do flitemetal and it has to be under 20kg - was skeptical about the final weight. That was the reason for kit form to save some weight. All of this was not needed as the production ARF F104 easily under 20kg!!!!! So now after a build with no plans and instructions i am in flitemetal. Certainly my last ARF "kit" build.

PS..I am no expert on flitemetal. All i can say is that smaller panels are much easier than large panels...

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 7:56 AM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 8:04 AM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 10:10 AM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 11:14 AM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 2:53 PM   
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Hi Sean,

Before i decided on flitemetal i had to consider the surface detail. SM have plenty of surface detail and i did not want to redo all of that. Since this is my 1st flitemetal jet with surface detail - i contacted flitemetal and told them about my problem. They assure me the surface detail will show through flitemetal! By the way - I had GREAT service from flitemetal even over the holidays...

I can confirm the detail do show right through the metal. It just need a lot of rubbing.....



I figured that the detail would show through when you first applied the FM, what I was more curioius about was once you start the long process of sanding the FM (to go from raw chrome like FM, to a more realistic nat metal appearance). I'm doing my 5th flite metal airframe, but the first with molded in detail. What I'm finding is that the FM in the details remains chrome like once sanded, where if you apply it to a clean airframe you can add the detail after sanding and avoid this issue.

Have you started sanding any areas yet? Will me interested in your technique here as I haven't found somethinng that works. Pre-sanding does help a bit but I find you lose some of the ability to 'stretch' the FM if you start working it before application.


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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/8/2013 9:19 PM   
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Sean, i have not come to that part yet. Like i say i am no expert and learning step by step...

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/9/2013 5:23 PM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/10/2013 11:08 AM   
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Thanks. Fuselage is nearing completion. Lucky the f104 have no wings!!

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/10/2013 4:22 PM   
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Go over the panels first with a grey scotchbrite pad. It will scuff and dull the flite metal down inside panel lines and rivet detail easily. Then you can sand your panel to level it out with paper like you normally would. There will still be a slight color variation between the indented detail and the sanded top surface, but it won't be anywhere near as noticable as the "chrome" color you'll get without scotchbriting it.


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Hi Sean,

Before i decided on flitemetal i had to consider the surface detail. SM have plenty of surface detail and i did not want to redo all of that. Since this is my 1st flitemetal jet with surface detail - i contacted flitemetal and told them about my problem. They assure me the surface detail will show through flitemetal! By the way - I had GREAT service from flitemetal even over the holidays...

I can confirm the detail do show right through the metal. It just need a lot of rubbing.....



I figured that the detail would show through when you first applied the FM, what I was more curioius about was once you start the long process of sanding the FM (to go from raw chrome like FM, to a more realistic nat metal appearance). I'm doing my 5th flite metal airframe, but the first with molded in detail. What I'm finding is that the FM in the details remains chrome like once sanded, where if you apply it to a clean airframe you can add the detail after sanding and avoid this issue.

Have you started sanding any areas yet? Will me interested in your technique here as I haven't found somethinng that works. Pre-sanding does help a bit but I find you lose some of the ability to 'stretch' the FM if you start working it before application.




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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/10/2013 4:26 PM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/11/2013 1:28 AM   
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Sean,
Go over the panels first with a grey scotchbrite pad. It will scuff and dull the flite metal down inside panel lines and rivet detail easily. Then you can sand your panel to level it out with paper like you normally would. There will still be a slight color variation between the indented detail and the sanded top surface, but it won't be anywhere near as noticable as the ''chrome'' color you'll get without scotchbriting it.



Jeremy, thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. The idea of filling all the molded in detail is not too appealing to me so I'm open for any options. Does the pre-sanding and working of the FM reduce its stretching ability?

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/11/2013 2:34 PM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/11/2013 4:48 PM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/11/2013 5:23 PM   
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Sean,
Go over the panels first with a grey scotchbrite pad. It will scuff and dull the flite metal down inside panel lines and rivet detail easily. Then you can sand your panel to level it out with paper like you normally would. There will still be a slight color variation between the indented detail and the sanded top surface, but it won't be anywhere near as noticable as the ''chrome'' color you'll get without scotchbriting it.



Jeremy, thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a try. The idea of filling all the molded in detail is not too appealing to me so I'm open for any options. Does the pre-sanding and working of the FM reduce its stretching ability?



I've never tried presanding it. But I wouldn't do that for a couple of reasons.
1. I would think it would be awfully hard to hold it firm enough that you didn't wrinkle or pucker it while sanding
2. Part of the sanding process is to "level" the flight metal. The glue on the back of it is not perfectly even, and you almost always inevitably pick up some little piece of crap when applying the tape. The sanding levels that out, if you already start sanding before it's on the model, you are removing material that you may not want removed when you try to level it out.

If the scotchbrite doesn't do quite the job you want, you can also buy sanding paste from auto body suppliers, there are many different grits available in paste form as well.

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/11/2013 5:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since the molded in detail may be harder to see in the flite metal (and since over time the flite metal can lift out of the molded in detail somewhat and further reduce the detail) You can also enhance it like I did on this hot section
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11106466/anchors_11106466/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#11106466

Skip the color parts, just airbrush the black over the detail and use a Mr Clean magic eraser to take the black off again. It will leave the black down in the rivets and even if the flite metal does shrink out of the detail over time, you'll still have the image of it because of the black.

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/12/2013 9:15 AM   
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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/12/2013 5:44 PM   
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Thank you... Another 4 hours and we will finally have an ARF!!! I hope pilots appreciate all the effort that goes into producing an ARF. This F104 was no joke....

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/13/2013 8:26 PM   
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great job! send this baby to me

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/14/2013 5:48 AM   
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Send you e-mail... You are correct about the white wings. I might change to another country..or remove the flitemetal from wing

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/14/2013 6:49 PM   
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Thank you... Another 4 hours and we will finally have an ARF!!! I hope pilots appreciate all the effort that goes into producing an ARF. This F104 was no joke....


ARF can mean a variety of things, one of them being "Almost Ready to Finish"

Looks great so far! This is my all time favorite aircraft.

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RE: Perfect color for perfect F104 - 1/17/2013 1:24 PM   
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