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Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 8:25 AM   
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We had a lot of flying and shot some left-over fireworks, and the dogs never flinched or pooped on the shelter floor. Real fun day. So enough about dogs.

In yesterday's mail I received a second AMA envelope with my second 2013 membership card along with the common information. Not bad but why? Postage was .45 cents, stated on envelope. If just 100,000 members received such, that amounts to $45,000.00 in Yankee Green, just for postage.

Come on Mr. Mathewson, and member's choice, Mr. Brown, methinks you need not follow the DC crowd and throw our donations away without cause, other than if it comes in you just have to pass it on.

Please respond here and inform me/us why this is happening. As a Life Member I have previously paid the dues that you asked for. In addition my name is above the long list of average donors. I am sacraficing a few beers just to try to help model aviation. If it is an inconvenience for you to accept my donations for aeromodeling, well I can pick up a few more beers rather than cause you undue strife or stress. Hope to hear from you soon.

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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 12:01 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 10:08 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 10:18 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 10:32 PM   
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This ought to be gooooooooood!

I cleverly attempted to place a pic of a soapbox, but internal server error 500. Drats, spoiled my lame humor intent



Yes, we need a serious soapbox and maybe a bull horn.  And all this rant for less than 1% of the AMA's total dues income. sheesh!




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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/28/2013 10:51 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 10:35 AM   
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If halve the people Flying RC had the Brains of a Dog we would have no worries

With bulk mailing rates less than .45 cents Hoss's math does not add up. I would rather go back to bashing the dog's or more appropriately their owners.

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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 4:10 PM   
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  And all this rant for less than 1% of the AMA's total dues income. sheesh!



Money is money, and in this case it is wasted money that could be used elsewhere.

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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 5:20 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 6:49 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 7:48 PM   
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With bulk mailing rates less than .45 cents Hoss's math does not add up. I would rather go back to bashing the dog's or more appropriately their owners.
Regards
Frank


Sorry Frank, but you get the Dunce Cap for right now. Read the post. I stated I used the amount as stamped on AMA's envelope. It was $.45 or 45 Cents. My math does have its share of mistakes, however .45 X 100,000 equals 45,000 in my scratch plus both my small computers agree.

Now just last evening I received a phone call from my new District VIII AMA District Vice President. We discussed the situation. He was very much a part of the AMA
Protocol and blamed it on some changes in the AMA's Introductory Pilot Instructor program which had some small changes last year. He set out explaining the Intro Pilot Program and never listened to me when I tried to inject that I was one of the first IPs when the program was first instituted. I quickly found out no need to try to really discuss something with these guys.

His call was not a result of this post. It was because I sent a copy, however better phrased, to the AMA Pres. the AMA Ex. Director, and my Dist DVP.

And to RC Paul: Maybe so, but when I see such a waste, then as one who has been AMA since in the 1940s, have served in a number of AMA Activities including AMA D-VP, one Election by Write-In Vote, CD since 1963, Leader since 1964, worked a lot of AMA functions, Club Presidents and other officers, supported AMA in many areas, including serving at a number of NATs, always a member of 1 to 4 clubs, an AMA Life member but I donate to AMA each year far more than my dues, financed a large club's flying facility, (www.jetero.com) I simply feel it is duty to question what I see as a waste of those donations.
Take a look at the past several MA magazines. Many many members are donating beyond dues. Do they NOT have a right to have a say in what AMA does with those distributions?
While this past year I donated a considerable amount of $$ to certain needs. IMO those associations were mostly just partying up every penny and did NOTHING to provide for the needs those funds were so directed. Now they wonder why my faucet has been closed. I don't wish for that to happen to AMA.
AMA is our only hope to keep Aeromodeling facilities in being.
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/29/2013 8:32 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 12:35 AM   
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I agree with you mongo. As a government contractor I up charge what a government employee COULD do by roughly 27%.

So lets say we add a 27% charge for the third party for doing the work and mailing out those hard to handle and pesky letters. 

.45 cents + 27%= .5715 

100,000 members x .5715= $57150.00 ! 

Yikes! And I thought $45,000 hurt.


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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 12:52 AM   
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  And all this rant for less than 1% of the AMA's total dues income. sheesh!



Money is money, and in this case it is wasted money that could be used elsewhere.


Right, in my pocket, $45K would go a long way.  But to the AMA it is pocket lint.

Anyway, I need a membership card to prove my AMA membership to my club.  Since, they have the only usable flying field, for my kind of flying, that is, I am kinda stuck.

So how about some alternative AMA membership proof for us members who actually need proof of membership?





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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 1:21 AM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 1:24 AM   
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I guess how  I feel about the AMA is kind of how I feel about paying taxes. I don't mind paying taxes IF I was guaranteed the money I was being forced to give was going to something productive. I can't stand the fact that I'm paying to fatten a suits wallet or the money is being completely wasted.

With the AMA, the same applies, I almost feel forced to pay.....




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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 2:01 AM   
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Right, in my pocket, $45K would go a long way.  But to the AMA it is pocket lint.


It would go a long way to helping provide that "Foundation" they are about to get set up. For years I pushed for AMA to follow that plan, a Foundation for the 501 (c) (3) 0peration and then a C Corp to provide lobby services for model aviation. I was ridiculed and laughed at. Now comes an election that brought in a new President after a sitting President takes over the Paid Position of Executive Director. Then a new President comes from the EC VP position and beats out the one individual that everyone I know thought was a shoo-in, for the presidency, especially me. That AMA election, combined with the fact that the election was the first in-house vote count since sometime in the mid-'80s, smells almost as much as another recent election, just not nearly as big.

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Anyway, I need a membership card to prove my AMA membership to my club.  Since, they have the only usable flying field, for my kind of flying, that is, I am kinda stuck.
So how about some alternative AMA membership proof for us members who actually need proof of membership?


If you are an AMA member, you have an AMA Member Card . One card is standard. Why do you need two? If you lose one, you can always make another by PAYING for one. OTOH, Since You have already have one simply copy it both sides, lay them back to back, between two sheets of clear tape, trim it up and you have two. So easy to do. Use a little thought process and you have another proof of membership. Ningun necisitar alternativa.



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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 3:10 AM   
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If you are an AMA member, you have an AMA Member Card . One card is standard. Why do you need two? If you lose one, you can always make another by PAYING for one. OTOH, Since You have already have one simply copy it both sides, lay them back to back, between two sheets of clear tape, trim it up and you have two. So easy to do. Use a little thought process and you have another proof of membership. Ningun necisitar alternativa.




Two cards?  I only get one card.  What are you talking about?



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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 3:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like an isolated incident. If they want you to have 2 cards, they could just mail them in one envelope

If they'd mail out a second card to every member, the not only had to pay the postage, printing the cards, envelopes and third party fees would add up to a lot more them 45K. That would be a concern. Otoh, if the third party made the mistake, they should be paying for it.


And I bring my dog to the field, she is very well behaved, but not am AMA member and might pee on the grass. 



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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 3:34 AM   
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Two cards?  I only get one card.  What are you talking about?



Maybe they just send extra cards to the ones on their watch list...not the ones that follow along well... I've gotten extra cards a quite a few times now...LOL

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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 4:42 AM   
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If you are an AMA member, you have an AMA Member Card . One card is standard. Why do you need two? If you lose one, you can always make another by PAYING for one. OTOH, Since You have already have one simply copy it both sides, lay them back to back, between two sheets of clear tape, trim it up and you have two. So easy to do. Use a little thought process and you have another proof of membership. Ningun necisitar alternativa.

Two cards?  I only get one card.  What are you talking about?


Oh Man, JohnShe, You are always good for a laugh. You asked ".... how about some alternative AMA membership proof for us members ..." and I gave you a method to keep an extra card with you without having to ask for it. Now you ask "What are you talking about?" That is funny.
You really should if not already take a look at a political career. Very few of those people have any clue about what they are speaking of. You are well trained in that respect. You would be at the top of the group, in a short time.


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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 12:23 PM   
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If multiple mailings really are being sent to everyone, then you have a legitimate gripe.

But if it's only an occasional slip-up where someone accidentally gets sent two cards every once in a while, I don't see it as a big deal. Investing in the quality control system to prevent all mistakes would cost more than the total cost of the occasional slip ups that each cost 45 cents in postage and maybe a dollar in making up the card and getting it sent out.

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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 1:49 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 1:50 PM   
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RE: Forget the DOGS. It's Bash AMA time. - 1/30/2013 2:18 PM   
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