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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 6:27 AM   
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83scamp, Very well said.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 8:30 AM   
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What this guy needs is an instructor and a trainer plane that he can build from scratch or a kit, and before building it, trace the wing ribs on the plans before building and if anything happens then the replacement parts can be built in the amount of time fussing and talking over this china crap company bashing, and besides who cares enough about a cheap plane like this  to bash a company for your crashing into a tree! welcome to rcu

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 8:40 AM   
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OK.  Went and talked to the friend.  Changed my mind Gary.  I think some of us need a break from winter, so, chill a bit, and enjoy.    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvkfyYoLjho      I think I got ya beat with this one.    www.rcuniverse.com='''' http:='''' src='''' />



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 2:30 PM   
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Sorry for your disappointmet with Nitroplanes. I think you won't get much sympathy here because most of the old timers have spent years in this hobby without any concept of "replacement parts"

For over 30 years the planes I flew were built from balsa and if you broke it, you had two choices, fix it yourself, or throw it away... 

Having easily available spare parts for foamie aircraft is a very recent development in this hobby..

Its a matter of perspective.. I have bought many planes and helicopters from Nitroplanes and they have all been excellent value for money.   I wouldn't call the company "bad" simply for not stocking spare parts...  To me and many others.. there is no expectation of readily available spare parts..

Here is one idea...

Next time you buy a plane, buy two or three the same.. then you will have a full set of spares for the entire aircraft.. - I am being serious.. this is a fair option with the price of foamies so cheap nowadays.

I did that with the helicopters I bought from Nitroplanes and Hobbyking.. I'd always buy two kits (Average cost $29-$59 per kit) and that let me build one and have a box of spare parts for the entire heli for minimal cost...

 



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 2:30 PM   
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Sarge, once again you are either blind or snifing to much CA. Again I'll ask;
How did you get from expecting ''good service, customer satisfaction, and parts support ''to  ''lack of responsibility for a crash?''
I thought my grammer was quite clear!  Even my 10 yr.old GRANDSON can comprehend the question. As far as youngster goes; I noticed you joined in 2012 vs.my joining in 2009. I've been flying since 2008, bought a few ARFs and even built a few from scratch and plans.
As a newb in 2008, I got suckered by Nitro with a YAK that burnt a motor and could'nt get a replacement..... only a moron would believe that a new plane would would'nt have the same problem.
The standard business model most companies follow includes after the sale service. How would you feel if after having a NEW HVAC system installed you were told to buy a new one because a $25 part failed?
I learned my Nitro lesson the hard way and hope others will not make the same mistake. Do you have a problem with that?
Those who support Mediocrity will never understand excellence!!!!!
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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 3:20 PM   
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rc planes arnt like cars..where the manufacture is required to make parts for the vehicle for a number of years...... i should be mad at hangar 9 when i stalled my f-22 and it hit the ground...i need a new fus...and they dont make the plane anymore.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 3:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: radius1x1As a newb in 2008, [...]
Let me know when you get 13 years flying [...]
13 years flying...... just a pup... Try 35....

I've been doing it for 48 years, but the amount of years doesn't necessarily equate to the quality of build and repairs. I've seen some with only a few years experience really turn out nice results.

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ORIGINAL: Rob2160 Lets try to support each other fellas, we all share this great hobby and should help each other enjoy it.... what is the point of trying to make someone feel bad by laughing at them?  Is that the type of person you want to be? 

Agreed.

Going back to the original poster, there are always repairs that someone who is inexperienced can do, with basic adhesives such as epoxy and carpenter's glue for foam, plastic packaging tape, scrap Styrofoam, plywood, etc. The more difficult repairs might provide a challenge beyond their abilities, but there is a certain self satisfaction when one accomplishes a repair that allows them to continue flying the same model.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 4:40 PM   
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I know it is frustrating when you cannot get parts for a plane. I just cannot see the justification for stocking parts on a RTF $100 plane. You get up to the $500 ARF Planes and you expect some parts to be available. Many parts from similar aircraft can be made to work. An ESC or Motor... that is too easy to substitute. Foam wings glue together very well and adding some packing tape it is strong as new. I have got to chuckle at the guys trying to protect their perfect plane. It is only a matter of time before the new wears off. Just how much flying time should you get before you got your moneys worth. I am much more careful with my "good" airplanes, but I have more fun with my crashers! I certainly don't try to crash, but generally, a crash is not that devastating. Just pick up the pieces and stuff them into another airframe. Don't know how? Show up at the field with parts, tools and glue and someone will show you how.

It is a throw away society... why should the hobby be any different?

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 4:40 PM   
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Back in the day, kit manufacturers would offer wing kits. I always needed fuselage kits as my wings would always remain in tact. You could get the wing kit though, but you had to build it.
Times have changed. That is for sure.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 8:33 PM   
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A lot of spare parts for FMS,and other Chinese Airplanes can be found here:  http://www.hobby-paradise.com/en/index.html?javaID=d9bd62a154d23498bd15e6fcc498bbf1

There are other websites that stock spares for the aircraft Nitroplanes sells. Use Google, you will find what you are looking for....
 


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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 9:37 PM   
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I have a friend who can't see paying the price for a Tower Hobbies or Horizon Hobbies plane and thus has purchased only planes by Nitro Planes an Banana Hobby. Of the 3 planes he has purchased from those places, none are currently flying because he needs parts and can't get them. His most recent buy, a Corsair from Nitro planes crashed and messed up the wing. He can't find a wing anywhere for his plane, not even in their classifieds section. The only plane he has that still flies is the one he bought from Tower Hobbies, a Flyzone Cessna 182 Skylane Select Scale. He just recently bought the Hobby King Dago Red P-51 plane and is afraid to fly it for fear of crashing it and not being able to get parts. I the meantime I continue to fly my Flyzone and Parkzone/Hobbyzone planes with confidence, knowing that parts are only a trip to my LHS or a phone call to Tower.



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 1/31/2013 10:11 PM   
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I have bought a number of things from NitroPlanes and HobbyPartz as well. Everything came through OK.  The ARF planes were double boxed too.

Unfortunately quite a few ARF and RTF planes sold by many companies and stores do not have spare parts either. One has to double check, if they expect to need spares before the purchase as they don't always advertise it. There are some stores that stock spares for some planes, but you have to check to see if they have spares before you buy. Sometimes they never get the spare parts in too.

Now one time I ordered some retracts from HobbyPartz and they were backordered for a long time. I inquired about it and they refunded the money after a couple of weeks. So it wasn't a big deal to me.  But I haven't had anything damaged yet that I got from them, so I haven't tried to get anything resolved as far as that happening so far.




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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 2:19 AM  1 votes
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Ok guys, time for me to step in here for a bit. There are a few people in here that can't seem to keep personal emotions out of a discussion, and have decided to take out their problems on those that they don't agree with. Let me put it this way. If you can't discuss an issue as this one without resorting to attacking those that you don't agree with, then I would suggest you refrain from entering into the discussion at all. Because if I see any more of these personal attacks I'm going to start handing out some timeouts. This is a simple matter people, and if you don't agree with what some people think that is fine and dandy. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But that doesn't give anybody the right to attack, insult, belittle, or speak badly to anybody whether you agree with them or not. So plain and simple guys, learn how to get along with each other. Otherwise you won't like what happens.

For those that are simply trying to discuss this issue I apologize for having to come in here and say this. Unfortunately some have made it necessary for me to have to do this. 

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 3:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: earlwb Unfortunately quite a few ARF and RTF planes sold by many companies and stores do not have spare parts either. One has to double check, if they expect to need spares before the purchase as they don't always advertise it. There are some stores that stock spares for some planes, but you have to check to see if they have spares before you buy. Sometimes they never get the spare parts in too.


That's where I think, earlwb that those who want to take a chance on purchasing planes from some of the volume internet houses that lack spares should expect to be able to repair these ARF's when they crash. Those who don't, then spend a little more on established vendors who do carry spares.

Otherwise, the ones who benefit are those who can repair, who receive these donor crash victims freely for their own use after repairs.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 9:20 AM   
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Ok guys, time for me to step in here for a bit. There are a few people in here that can't seem to keep personal emotions out of a discussion, and have decided to take out their problems on those that they don't agree with. Let me put it this way. If you can't discuss an issue as this one without resorting to attacking those that you don't agree with, then I would suggest you refrain from entering into the discussion at all. Because if I see any more of these personal attacks I'm going to start handing out some timeouts. This is a simple matter people, and if you don't agree with what some people think that is fine and dandy. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But that doesn't give anybody the right to attack, insult, belittle, or speak badly to anybody whether you agree with them or not. So plain and simple guys, learn how to get along with each other. Otherwise you won't like what happens.
 
For those that are simply trying to discuss this issue I apologize for having to come in here and say this. Unfortunately some have made it necessary for me to have to do this. 
 
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that brought the thread to a screeching halt!  We are all too scared to post anything now... ;-)



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 12:14 PM   
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Nitroplanes like many others simply don't have a "support after the sale" business model. My only problem with cheap planes is that I wish the companies would put some sort of disclaimer out there. For instance if you bought plane X, then it could state: "This is an AS IS sale and no parts availability offered." Then I know that if the plane comes with a damaged fuselage that is my responsibility.

There are good arguments involved around buying new items. Some use the analogy of buying an appliance and not be able to use it because of a bad 25 dollar part. I think the vendors should do a better job of documenting the ins and outs behind the models they sell. If I purchased an appliance and it stated that there were no parts availability and no support, then that is on me and would drive my decision.

If you knew the manufacturer you may have some recourse but many of the Nitroplanes el-cheapos - you just don't know where they were made. Some manufacturers are good about helping you after the sale if you have photos, etc., but the bad thing is that it may take a long time to get anything done and a lot of labor can be involved which may not be practical and so you have spent more than you would have if you had of just paid more from a reputable supplier.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I simply do not buy from Nitroplanes based on what I have seen over the last few years from them. I find hardly anything in stock and the few planes I have seen that others have purchased have been as close to pure junk as I even could imagine with the occasional exception. I do buy some cheap planes just not from them. I have learned with any cheap item just not to go in with a great deal of expectation.



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 12:26 PM   
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I tell folks this all the time (generally those new to the hobby) buy a system/plane/accessories that are common and repairable.  Normally Specktrum, Futaba, HiTec....Also as to planes the ones that come RTF more times than not from some website don't have buddy capability or spare parts so buy at your own risk.  I normally recommend E-Flite, Great Planes, Hangar 9, the big guys who are hobby grade.

Helis are worse.  I like the gents who pay $100 (slight exaggeration) for a 450  heli yet complain when it doesn't perform or when they crash and can't get parts.  You might as well throw it in the trash...Again stick with the hobby grade stuff.....and dealers...Is paying half the price still a deal when you have a crash - which you will - and you can't repair it?



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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 1:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RCKen We are all entitled to our own opinions. But that doesn't give anybody the right to attack, insult, belittle, or speak badly to anybody whether you agree with them or not. So plain and simple guys, learn how to get along with each other. Otherwise you won't like what happens.

For those that are simply trying to discuss this issue I apologize for having to come in here and say this. Unfortunately some have made it necessary for me to have to do this.
that brought the thread to a screeching halt!  We are all too scared to post anything now... ;-)

IMO only for those who insist on personal attacks instead of participating in the discussion.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 1:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RealFly Helis are worse.  I like the gents who pay $100 (slight exaggeration) for a 450  heli yet complain when it doesn't perform or when they crash and can't get parts.  You might as well throw it in the trash...Again stick with the hobby grade stuff.....and dealers...Is paying half the price still a deal when you have a crash - which you will - and you can't repair it?

I don't think that would stop the resourceful. It might take a little searching among spares for other helicopters, to find a workable match. A college student might do that to keep within budget. But you are right, find a suitable compromise that allows support along with a reasonably costed heli.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 3:24 PM   
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to rc ken ,how come a newbie who wants to get into a new aspect he knows nothing about and does not take the time to search it out, then gets what he thinks is a bum deal, now has all the time to check it out and complain. if i can not say what i think is his mistake, then why is it ok for him to slam a company for what he thinks is a bum deal , where others have had no problem. when ever i buy r/c products i am not familiar with i search it out and ask questions. it has always worked for me.

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to rc ken ,how come a newbie who wants to get into a new aspect he knows nothing about and does not take the time to search it out, then gets what he thinks is a bum deal, now has all the time to check it out and complain. if i can not say what i think is his mistake, then why is it ok for him to slam a company for what he thinks is a bum deal , where others have had no problem. when ever i buy r/c products i am not familiar with i search it out and ask questions. it has always worked for me.


I never said that you couldn't tell him he was making a mistake. Read what I posted again. I said you can't attack, insult, put down, or belittle somebody you don't agree with. I never once said that you could point out they were in error.

Examples
"I am sorry, but what you have posted isn't correct" 

"Hey, you're wrong you stupid idiot".

 
Do you see the difference?? It's quite possible to point out that the person is not corrrect without insulting them. And that is the basis of my warning. If somebody can't figure out how to discuss this without insulting those that don't agree with you, then you should avoid discussing the issue. Because the name calling, insults, and personal attacks are done and won't be allowed here any longer. The choice is entirely up to those that want to participate in the discussion.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 4:37 PM   
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I recently purchased the 50 cc Zero when it dropped to $254.00.  I knew I was taking my chances when I did, as I've read plenty about NP.  When it arrived, I was pleasantly surprised.  It was such a nice plane, I ordered a second, so I would have spare parts.  (Thats two 82 inch Zeros shipped for under $600.00)
Does this mean I'll by more items from NP?  Probably not, but it sure would have been hard to build one at that cost, let alone two.
 
In the end, I got exactly what I paid for.  A cheap Chinese ARF , that if I bust up(flying in the tradewinds of Hawaii), I won't be upset.
 
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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 4:58 PM   
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Interesting that you fly in Hawaii, Casey, the public model plane field east of the Pali Pass? I used to fly there in the late 1970's, early 1980's.

Of course if you have repairing skills, you could extend the life of both of those ARF's. At least you made a smart move in saving costs and still being able to fly in those 15 - 30 mph Trade Winds with the bigger planes.

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 5:10 PM   
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Ken, I was so looking forward to some great entertaining conversations where folks would call each other idiots, dumb____, jack____, etc.!

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RE: WARNING AVOID NITRO PLANES! - 2/1/2013 6:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fly24-7 Not everyone wants to actually practicing modeling. Some want to plug and play. While that offends the sensibilities of many here on RCU, it's called evolution. Things change over time and not everyone likes the trend. That's life.

Offends? I don't think that is representative of many, there may be a few vocal types that spurn anything of an RTF nature. And it goes ditto the other way.

I would say it is more in the realm of preferences, of which there is much freedom in. Main thing is to enjoy what you are doing, whether it is ARF and ARF parts, building from kits or scratch and repairing, ARF flying and self repairing, etc. If someone does like it, and if we aren't doing something wrong like breaking rules, then tough grits to others. Life is too short to let others control one's happiness.


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