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What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 5:18 PM   
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What would you do if someone in your country arranged a jet meeting / fun fly, and told just one local pilot he will not be allowed to enter the field for personal reasons of the orginizer ?
and then set a guard at the entrance to the field in order to prevent this one guy from entering all weekend long ?

If this happend in your home, in your hobby - What would you do if you were him ?

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 5:23 PM   
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 5:32 PM   
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I hate junk like this...Makes the hobby look bad

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 5:34 PM   
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Does he actually the the authority prevent the person from entering the grounds ? Is the organizer have the authority under the insurance provisions to prevent someone from flying ?

I hate junk like this...Makes the hobby look bad


Officially - he doesnt have any autority. but he did set this up with the field operator (its a full size field).
No insurance issues as insurance is not required here (wish it was) - and there are no legal issues what so ever.
just one guy orginizing a jet meeting event in a field, while knowing the field operator, and having his guard only authorize who ever he wants in.edited


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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 5:38 PM   
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This is sad if it happened and would make me wonder what the rest of the story behind such actions is.


It did happen, for personal reasons solely.
i personally feel this is no way to behave to anyone ever, and especially not in the scope of our wonderful hobby.

so was wondering what others feel about this as well.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 6:15 PM   
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Does he actually the the authority prevent the person from entering the grounds ? Is the organizer have the authority under the insurance provisions to prevent someone from flying ?

I hate junk like this...Makes the hobby look bad



One case that might come to mind would be if the organizer of the rally has a restraining order against someone then he has the legal right to expect legal exclusion and distance from the restrained, I would think.

BUT. I'd have to know a lot more about a situation like this before I'd have an opinion. It's never black and white. As a rule however I'd have to say that it's a pretty bad precedent in general (not to mention legally risky for the excluding parties) to attempt political exclusion against someone. But again, if there are legal reasons that person "B" cannot be by person "A" and person "A" organized a rally, then I guess person "B" is out of luck. But if "A" and "B" are squabbling then tough cookies to person "A" 's ego. Preson "B" can not be politically shunned under the auspices of a larger organization (say, AMA), unless discriminatory practices can be ethically and legally upheld (as likely as snowballs becoming magically manifested in a pottery kiln on high blast heat).

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 6:25 PM   
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Does he actually the the authority prevent the person from entering the grounds ? Is the organizer have the authority under the insurance provisions to prevent someone from flying ?

I hate junk like this...Makes the hobby look bad



One case that might come to mind would be if the organizer of the rally has a restraining order against someone then he has the legal right to expect legal exclusion and distance from the restrained, I would think.

BUT. I'd have to know a lot more about a situation like this before I'd have an opinion. It's never black and white. As a rule however I'd have to say that it's a pretty bad precedent in general (not to mention legally risky for the excluding parties) to attempt political exclusion against someone. But again, if there are legal reasons that person ''B'' cannot be by person ''A'' and person ''A'' organized a rally, then I guess person ''B'' is out of luck. But if ''A'' and ''B'' are squabbling then tough cookies to person ''A'' 's ego. Preson ''B'' can not be politically shunned under the auspices of a larger organization (say, AMA), unless discriminatory practices can be ethically and legally upheld (as likely as snowballs becoming magically manifested in a pottery kiln on high blast heat).



no legal issues what so ever are involved, in any way. this is a strictly personal matter so im not asking about the legal side.
the orginizer (A) simply doesnt like this pilot (B) for what ever reasons, and although (B) tried to settle things down with him calmly, (A) refused to do so and (B) was still forced to stay out despite him asking to join the fun fly with the rest of the pilots.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 6:31 PM   
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The simplest answer, if you didn't like it, would be to just not attend. If enough people agreed with your point and did the same, the problem would take care of itself.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 6:51 PM   
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 6:59 PM   
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 7:03 PM   
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From the archives;
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 8:43 PM   
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This sounds familiar, it happened to Todd many many years ago and was personal in nature!

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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_41008/anchors_41008/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#41008


Todd's case sounds very fimilar, and very sad indeed !

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 8:44 PM   
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if the excluded party is a bad pilot/builder he might have a good reason to exclude him as he has a duty of care to the rest of the people at the meeting


Not the case - one of the top builders/pilots in the country in everyone's opinion.

I still ask - what would you do if you were the person left outside ?

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 9:01 PM   
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Hey guys,

What would you do if someone in your country arranged a jet meeting / fun fly, and told just one local pilot he will not be allowed to enter the field for personal reasons of the orginizer ?
and then set a guard at the entrance to the field in order to prevent this one guy from entering all weekend long ?

If this happend in your home, in your hobby - What would you do if you were him ?




I removed my previous comment as asked. I did not feel it was inappropriate or offensive and it was not slanderous. I was expressing my opinion in a politically correct way.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 9:11 PM   
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Unfortunate but would need to know the rest of the story, If the person being banned is a jerk, unsafe, a troulbe maker, jepardizes others, then good


I wouldnt consider him any of the above. top pilot and helps many other all the time at the field at the meets.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 9:16 PM   
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Unfortunate but would need to know the rest of the story, If the person being banned is a jerk, unsafe, a troulbe maker, jepardizes others, then good


Hi rcand,
you make a valid point,
unfortunately, here in Israel there aren't that many jet pilots and everybody knows everybody, it is a true shame that something like that takes place and i truly believe that any misunderstanding or personal clash should be solved OFF THE TRACK, leave your emotion out of it and let everyone enjoy their time flying with friends.
one can only hope and dream that one day, all rc pilots will get along without the personal background clutter.


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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 9:49 PM   
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Do you think its fair for side A to prevent side B from flying with all the friends just because side A doesnt like side B personally for what ever reasons ?

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 9:52 PM   
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if the excluded party is a bad pilot/builder he might have a good reason to exclude him as he has a duty of care to the rest of the people at the meeting


Not the case - one of the top builders/pilots in the country in everyone's opinion.

I still ask - what would you do if you were the person left outside ?


If it was a public area and that happened, I would tell your friend to take legal action.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 10:14 PM   
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answering your question, I would move to Brazil , we have our problems like any country, but we are hospitable!

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 10:42 PM   
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Here in the US of A is called discrimination and is illegal 


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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/9/2013 11:12 PM   
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Here in the US of A is called discrimination and is illegal 


i think you hit the nail right on the head.
i feel the same.


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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/10/2013 1:40 AM   
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You have given very little detail as to why, perhaps you don't know the full story?
I'd say let person A and B settle it themselves.

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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/10/2013 2:52 AM   
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/10/2013 3:11 AM   
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RE: What would you do if... ? - 2/10/2013 3:43 AM   
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