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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/18/2008 11:38:08 PM

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These were the first retracts that I've used that felt new out of the box, everything (retracts, air valve, etc..) fit tight and actually feel like they need to be worn in. Smooth though.. They're nice

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/18/2008 11:50:01 PM

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Hey Viper, thanks for all the posts and help. Could you post some pictures of your Corsair with the Sierra Gear in it? How well did it fit?

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 12:04:07 AM

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You are asking questions when on this same page I posted pictures (Post # 1743) of the Sierra Rotating Retracts 95 degrees, just to show you guys what needs to be done. Please read this thread there's a lot of good info. Craig-RCU supplied plenty of very good information, about glassing and areas that require reinforcements etc...
You should examine closely these pictures (Post 1743). Installing the pneumatic Sierra Retracts requires a bit of sanding off the old base where the mechanical retracts are screwed in, plus some off the side. If you don't keep the Sierra Retracts housing level as I have explained you'll end up with toe-in or toe-out. The new rail support for the retracts should be epoxed. I'll be using Hysol epoxy
(turns grey when mixed). It is used in Jet Turbines aircrafts.

When you modify the retracts area, sand a bit at a time, while checking the fit. The Sierra Retracts, one of the barbed air fitting is on the side , you need to allow room so the airline is not kinked or rubbed against. It's a slow process, but this installation requires more attention.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 1:00:52 AM

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I finally completed my Hanger 9 60 size Corsair and it is now ready for its maiden flight. Today I set the high and low ranges on the control surfaces, test ran the engine and range checked the radio. I did encounter a couple of minor problems such as the left retract was not locking well in the dow position and three of the four cowl mounting blocks broke off on the first engine run. The retract issues are well documented in this thread but I haven't seen anything about the cowl mounting blocks before. In my mind, the cowl mounting system for this plane is very poor. 3/4" blocks epoxyed to the firewall without any reinforcement is just not adequate, especially if one is running a gas engine like I am. I drilled two 1/8" holes through each block (all the way through the firewall) and re-epoxyed the blocks using 1/8" dowels to pin the blocks to the firewall. I hope that this will do the trick but I will post additional information if the cowel mounting blocks fail again.

I hope to maiden my Corsair sometime this week if weather permits.

Hanger 9 60 size Corsair, Zenoah G20ei engine, stock retracts, Bennett exhaust header, MS 15x7 3-blade prop, Spektrum DX-7 radio.

Best wishes and good safe flying.

Heli-NuBee (Roger)

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 2:14:31 AM

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Hey Viper, thanks for all the posts and help. Could you post some pictures of your Corsair with the Sierra Gear in it? How well did it fit?

I haven't actually installed these in my Corsair yet, the ones I had were for my P-40 and they actually had to be modded 1/4" shorter to fit. But they are the same ones for the Corsair, supposed to drop right in.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 5:30:06 PM

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I am looking at buying the Hangar 9 Corsair and I have a saito 82 4 stroke how do you guys think it would do on this plane. I know its the smallest one they say will power it but has anyone used this motor and if so how does it perform on this plane? Right now its mounted on my Funtana X50 and it has no problems pulling it around. Thanks

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 8:34:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: apcud7

Hey Viper, thanks for all the posts and help. Could you post some pictures of your Corsair with the Sierra Gear in it? How well did it fit?

I haven't actually installed these in my Corsair yet, the ones I had were for my P-40 and they actually had to be modded 1/4" shorter to fit. But they are the same ones for the Corsair, supposed to drop right in.

Shane

Pit....................Sorry mate they don't just drop in, you have to do modification of the retract bay. See my post # 1743. You guys should read these posts carefully. Seems like always the same questions and not reading the thread carefully. But to keep you updated, if you are referring TO the Sierra Rotating 95 degrees retracts for the Hangar 9 Corsair size 60 , it's the only one they have in that size ARF anyways, you have to modify. Hope the person who posted this question read this post.

Charles.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 8:49:24 PM

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Ralph......................Sorry, the Saito 82 is kind of weak for this 60 size. I had that 82 in my Funtana 40, it's great on the F40, but the F40 is about two pounds lighter than the Hangar 9 Corsair. This Corsair is built around the 100 Saito. You probably will get away with it, but depends the end weight and any modifications. If one has to consider the extra glassing/Epoxy you are adding weight, every little gram counts. The test for the 82 comes if you have to abort or something, and you need to throttle up and the power is not there. Think about it. The manufacturer is doing recommendations, and I would say that these recommandations are the minimum. They might also say that this plane is about 7-8 lbs. when in actual fact it might come out as 8.75lbs. If you also need to add lead wt. in order to balance out, you are then in deeper trouble. I would add the power instead of lead.

Just my two cents.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 8:56:36 PM

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Iam putting os 120 think that sould make it go ok using 14x7 prop what do yo think thanks steve

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/19/2008 10:55:29 PM

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69 That is A good chorse I have A Saito 100 in mine and it has enought power too pull the plane out of stall's just fine.The 120 will do very well hope this helps.

Joe

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/20/2008 12:16:14 AM

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Roadrunner......................most guys are putting the Saito 100 in the Hangar 9 Corsair, this warbird was designed with the Saito 100 in mind. There are others that are putting the G20 gasser. The 100 will get you out of trouble, plus reducing stress from vibrations. I fly the Ultimate 10-300 BlueHawk with the Saito 120 and this bi-plane is close to 11 lbs. and flying most times just over half throttle. If you have to put in the 120 you need to reinforce that firewall, this engine creates quite a bit of torque, be prepared to use that rudder on take offs. Very exciting. This engine has power to spare, love it. The Saito 120 in my opinion is a bit too much for the Corsair, but that's my opinion. I was thinking of doing that myself too but I'm waiting it out. I don't have an engine just yet for the Corsair. With the 120 you might have to add more lead to balance out. The Saito 120 is not in production anymore as I understand, the newer version is the Saito 125. This size of an engine is more suitable for the CMP120 Corsair or the G26 gas engine.
I like to put in the G20 gas, but I hate the smell of gasoline that stays inside my truck. Plus I store my planes inside the house. The G20 gas Zenoah is a bit heavy, and I heard it is power hungry. Some guys were replacing the electronic ignition that comes with. Again I'm not an expert and I don't have one of these engines, I just read about it. I researched it. Fuji will be the next engine to look in to if one is considering a gas engine.

Charles.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/20/2008 12:43:49 AM

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Thanks for the info but I have another question. If this palne can be powered by a .61 2 stroke and fly fine the I would think the saito 82 should fly it well also. The saito will out power these .60 size 2 strokes yes? Also Hangar 9 sells this plane in a package deal with a .61 2 stroke.

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/20/2008 1:35:59 AM

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A .61 two stroke engine is equal to the power of a .90 four stroke.
But I wouldn't put either one in the corsair. I am a firm believer in put the max power recommended or a bit over. Nothing like having plenty of power to pull out of those mistakes.

I am putting a modified G20 in mine by the way. It is lighter than a stock G20 and has a better ignition module. I hate the smell of glow fuel and I store mine in my trailer or workshop. Nothing like flying all day for less than $3.00..............

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/20/2008 4:11:50 AM

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Ralph L THE 61 WILL FLY THE PLANE BUT if you get intoo any kind of stall and try too pull out it wont do it.Sorry about the cap i didn't know I hit that key.I have the 100 Saito in mine and my Bat is right behind the fuel tank too balance it.Hope this helps and good luck.

Joe

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RE: Hangar 9 60 size corsair arf - 2/20/2008 6:01:43 AM

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I have a ten year old O.S. .61 in my corsair and have been flying it for over two years with pnuematic