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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/8/2003 10:57:14 PM   
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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/8/2003 11:26:24 PM   
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<<Edit>> Advocating the deliberate destruction of another person's airplane is not acceptable on RCU.

< Message edited by William Robison -- 10/9/2003 1:57:37 AM >

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/14/2003 8:46:53 PM   
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What idiot thinks the owner of a beautiful plane wants it flown without the owner being there!

Use a little freakin' judgement.

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/14/2003 8:52:43 PM   
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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/14/2003 8:57:02 PM   
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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/15/2003 3:28:50 PM   
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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/21/2003 3:41:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey everyone! Thanks for your interest! Its a real bad thing that happened! I hope it never happens to anyone here.

Sorry, Its been so long since I posted...I didn't or am not giving up. Things are being worked out at this point we should have it wrapped up here real soon.

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/21/2003 9:20:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh No!!!!!...... This is like a good book with the last page torn out. I've just spent the last two hours reading this thing to find no ending....... DAMIT MAN I hope you get your plane replaced. after reading all this I have to agree whit the general consensus. I've been flying for quite a long time and I do from time to time test fly new planes with the conditions fully understood. I have no control over the building or flying condition of your plane unless I built it so, you must agree to this if it goes in I will not be held responsible for it. do you understand these conditions and do you agree? if you are not here to agree it will not go up with me at the sticks!!!!! period. Therefore I would hold the pilot responsible 100%...but the builder led the pilot to believe it was ok? I would hold him responsible 100%...
This leaves enough responsibility to go around to have the plane replaced with some left over. lets face it any RC pilot or builder with any experience at all should know better that to take the risk.

This is my opinion

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/21/2003 10:26:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please understand that my participation in this discussion is happening simply because I am the club contact person. I got an email from Shawn complaining about what happened. I was not at the field or involved in any way. So I suspect I'm about as impartial as it can get in this matter. I have spent some time this afternoon gathering information from Chuck (who was hired to build a Taylorcraft for Shawn AND asked to have it test-flighted by Shawn) and several other club members who were present at the field. Also understand that Shawn IS NOT a member of our club.

I have spoken with several people who were present when the untimely demise occurred. All are in agreement that pilot error while in flight WAS NOT a cause of what happened. The aircraft simply quit responding while in flight. Which means some component in the airplane or radio system failed. I understand there were 8 servos in the plane, and having an under-capacity battery that may not have been in peak shape could easily have been drawn down to the point of failure. Also, I understand that Shawn *did* have Chuck do a flight checkout for the Taylorcraft so it is not like there was no precedent for flying this one. As to Shawn's invitation to the flight, my understanding is that he is extremely difficult to get in touch with. Chuck was trying to do the right thing in getting the aircraft completed and delivered to Shawn. Seems like many little things compounded to have a significant event happen. It's real easy to look at things in hindsight and say they should have been done differently.

Test flights never come with guarantees! Sometimes the planes crash on the first flight regardless of who is at the controls. This is the nature of the hobby -- **** happens, deal with it and move on.


What Kinda Club wouldent want to help this guy out? Heres a simple solution, Have club fund raisers to get a new Pitts. If this pilot was so experianced, why wouldent he know to check the battery first. He would know that a 600 MAH wouldent hold up to 8 servos. You say its not pilot error, yet it is. All crashes are pilot error, even if the battery dies. Who else is going to check the battery? The pit crew? If you were a club devoted to the R/C industry, you wouldent worry about getting your extra money to install a new windsock but to get the guy a new kit. The pilot is pretty lucky he did get hurt after what he did to that pitts...

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/22/2003 12:02:45 AM   
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Shawn *did* have Chuck do a flight checkout for the Taylorcraft so it is not like there was no precedent for flying this one. As to Shawn's invitation to the flight, my understanding is that he is extremely difficult to get in touch with. Chuck was trying to do the right thing in getting the aircraft completed and delivered to Shawn.
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RC Havoc,
I don't want to get into a pi@#ing match with anyone but didn't you just find out who the wrong party was. Just because shawn had him do a test flight on a previous craft he had built does not mean he had the permission for this one. Just because Shawn is hard to get ahold of does not mean that automatically gave him the permission to have the plane flown no matter what happened in the past. There is not precedent here, unless shawn said "Yes, fly my plane!" then he should have know bettter. The other thing that worries me is that if he was getting this plane ready for shawn why didn't the test pilot take off circle the runway to get it trimmed and land, but no, he had to try a bunch of aerobatic manuevers and crashed. After reading your post I can honestly and without doubt say chuck is clearly in the wrong and that is the way I and probably many others will see it and he should just pay for shawn's airplne.

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/22/2003 12:34:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sirrom, I agree with you. I didnt write the first half of my post, I quoted it, it just didt say that.

This is What I wrote...

What Kinda Club wouldent want to help this guy out? Heres a simple solution, Have club fund raisers to get a new Pitts. If this pilot was so experianced, why wouldent he know to check the battery first. He would know that a 600 MAH wouldent hold up to 8 servos. You say its not pilot error, yet it is. All crashes are pilot error, even if the battery dies. Who else is going to check the battery? The pit crew? If you were a club devoted to the R/C industry, you wouldent worry about getting your extra money to install a new windsock but to get the guy a new kit. The pilot is pretty lucky he did get hurt after what he did to that pitts...

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/23/2003 2:19:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Shawn, sorry about your loss.

The pilot should check with his homeowners insurance policy to see if there is any coverage for you.

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/24/2003 12:21:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bottom line. 1/3 scale Pitts, 8 servos 600mih battery. The builder knew it was there. Unless a trailer for transport was used the plane had to be assembled at the field. The battery is not hidden. Any pilot worth his salt will pre flight check any maiden aircraft before taking control. Even if the battery was fully charged the plane was sentenced to death by stupidity on the part of the builder and the pilot regardless how well he can handle a plane. Without common sense, talent is worthless. Time to seperate your money from theirs Shawn. I train and will not put myself through the anxiety of crashing someones plane because I did not have the sense to evaluate a planes integrity. Something these two jokers are definetly lacking. Good luck, Joe

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/24/2003 3:25:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I certainly hope Shawn is satisfied with whatever settlement is offered.

Now, how 'bout it. If Shawn asked you to build a plane for him, or maiden it.... would you? After reading this thread?

Not me!!

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/24/2003 4:09:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I would have to agree. If I ever fly someone elses plane, make sure of the rules ahead of time. Otherwise, the next thread, like this one, may turn into a rope, with over 6 pages!

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/24/2003 8:03:04 PM   
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Now, how 'bout it. If Shawn asked you to build a plane for him, or maiden it.... would you? After reading this thread?

Not me!!

Dave Olson


The operative word in your sentence is ASKED something the builder and or pilot neglicted to do It doesn't take too many brain cells to figure out that if you maiden a plane without the owners explicit permission you will be held responsible.

And Dave Yes I would build A plane for him what I would NOT due under any circimstances is fly it without permission

Shawn,

Except no less the 100% compensation....

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RE: Great PLanes Pitts SU2 Crash Pics - 10/25/2003 6:26:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree!! I would build for this guy and test fly if asked...WHY??? cause now I know exactly what to expect from shaun and what to make perfectly clear before the test flight, but if Shaun were not at the field I could not ask or clearify so...... I would not fly. No wrecked plane.

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