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Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 5:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to put some vinyl invasion strips on an 80" P-47. When I got the graphics it looks to me like it would be extremely difficult to get these huge vinyl graphics on without any bubbles or wrinkles. I also am worried about being able to get out any future wrinkles in covering under such large pieces of vinyl. i've thought about cutting the individual strips out and putting them on one at a time.

Could anyone who has applied something like this comment. Thanks

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 7:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Paint them on with Rust-o-leum flat white and flat black. Allow at least two weeks to fully cure before exposing to fuels.

Note, these strips were originally painted on very quickly, only the night before the invasion, in most cases. They used whatever they had to paint them, even scrub brushes. They were not prefect, and in some cases, far from it. Nice straight crisp lines were not the norm. Most are depicted on our models much to straight and uniform. Guilty of it myself.

If you must use the vinyl, spray a mist of Windex on the area first. This will allow you to easily work out the air under the decal.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 11:32 AM   
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Paint them on with Rust-o-leum flat white and flat black. Allow at least two weeks to fully cure before exposing to fuels.



+1,, I used white and black primer,, but I don't think I waited 2 days

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 12:55 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 2:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I was going to paint invasion stripes which is the best way: paint individual stripes, or, paint the whole field white and then mask and paint the black stripes

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 3:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I apply sticky things to my covering, I use the Windex method. I spray Windex with Ammonia on the surface that I am applying my stickers to, apply the stickers and then use a squeejy to push out all the Windex when I have the sticker placed where I want it. The Windex allows you to move the sticker around the get them into the position that you want them. Once it is all squeejed out, let it sit 24 hours and you should be good to go. I would take a scrap piece of your vinyl and test it on a piece of covering to make sure there are no issues with it. Good Luck, Dave


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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 3:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Painting will be much quicker. Like ram said they were put on quickly. Rattle cans and painters tape do the job quiclky. I just did myself a throw away plane last week. Took about an evening to do.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 6:19 PM   
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If I was going to paint invasion stripes which is the best way: paint individual stripes, or, paint the whole field white and then mask and paint the black stripes


Yes, paint the whole field white, let cure over night at least,, then mask off for the black. Use very low tack tape

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 7:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		well I got another issue. If I do this I have to take off the giant US insignia on the wing and fuselage first. Last time I tried this i really pulled loose a lot of the covering that would not iron back down smoothly. Is therea trick to doing this? Would warming them with a heat gun first make them easier to peel off.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 7:55 PM   
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When I apply sticky things to my covering, I use the Windex method. I spray Windex with Ammonia on the surface that I am applying my stickers to, apply the stickers and then use a squeejy to push out all the Windex when I have the sticker placed where I want it. The Windex allows you to move the sticker around the get them into the position that you want them. Once it is all squeejed out, let it sit 24 hours and you should be good to go. I would take a scrap piece of your vinyl and test it on a piece of covering to make sure there are no issues with it. Good Luck, Dave



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Painting will be much quicker. Like ram said they were put on quickly. Rattle cans and painters tape do the job quiclky. I just did myself a thfow away plane last week. Took about an evening to do.

You can use windex or soapy water solution under the vinyl & have the stripes on W/O wrinkles or bubbles in a matter of a few munutes.

I doubt that you can paint them on that quickly or easily.

Remember those huge "Thunderchicken" graphics on the late '70s Firebirds?

They wre applied W/a soapy water solution.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 8:26 PM   
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well I got another issue. If I do this I have to take off the giant US insignia on the wing and fuselage first. Last time I tried this i really pulled loose a lot of the covering that would not iron back down smoothly. Is therea trick to doing this? Would warming them with a heat gun first make them easier to peel off.

Steve



Low tack masking take should be safe, that is if those insignia were adequately ironed on originally. Do you make it a habit to iron your ARFs out of the box? If you don't, then you might want to iron them a day before masking them.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 9:47 PM   
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well I got another issue. If I do this I have to take off the giant US insignia on the wing and fuselage first. Last time I tried this i really pulled loose a lot of the covering that would not iron back down smoothly. Is therea trick to doing this? Would warming them with a heat gun first make them easier to peel off.

Steve

Use a heat gun to slowly warm up the insignia you want to remove.

Test the edges & when you can get the edge to lift slowly work your way across the insignia you want to remove using heat sparingly.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 9:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think I would take them off. Just mast around them like they actually did in the day. Here again, if it is not perfect, it is more authentic.

As for how to paint them, in a pure scale contest type environment, I paint each stripe individually so I can weather and chip them without dealing with exposing white under black, something you would not have seen in full scale. They painted them without overlay. Anything else would have been a waste of paint, and paint became scarce. So scarce that in some cases they had to mix other colors together to get a sort of black. However, in a sport scale build, I paint the white first, then the black over it.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 11:10 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 11:40 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/18/2013 11:50 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 12:23 AM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 1:01 AM   
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Here's how they did back then.


Nice picture. Exactly what I'm talking about. We tend to make them to uniform on our models.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 3:11 AM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 7:40 AM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 5:53 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 6:09 PM   
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An 80'' P47 deserves to be fiber glassed and detailed with panel lines and simulated rivets. Then the entire plane is painted stripes and all. Just my opinion, jmpups

I would glass it, prime it, and then use aluminum foil layed on in scale panels, not paint. Then the flush rivets are easily embossed into the aluminum, along with other details like access panels, hatches, hand holds, and vents.

In this line up of meister P-47s, you can easlily pick out Zombie as natural aluminum vs the other painted ones.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 7:05 PM   
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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 7:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		All bubbles will eventually go away after application. The sun plus heat.

Vinyl can be applied wet with Windex or some other glass cleaner. This allows for movement and placement.

Thing is, correct stripes aren't straight vinyl. Because of the wing taper there should be a slight curve to the vinyl, once placed they are straight.

You can, pull and stretch the vinyl a bit, but that's in the application.

I have my customers send me drawings so I can get the vinyl correct without errors. I tell them how and what to measure.

Just part of giving modelers the quality they deserve.

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RE: Applying vinyl invasion strips - 5/19/2013 8:15 PM   
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