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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/12/2009 5:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Guys a lot of hours with the brass tube on the soldering iron but it was worth it! I am now working on the bates P-40b hopefully it will be done by October. The P-51 was a very solid flier I had a 10 mph wind on my maiden down the runway ,but I was still suprised how much power I carried until landing. So my advice is don't be afraid to hold in power.... I was at little over half the whole way around the pattern.....the about half on final... until the threshold I started pulling back. If you use top flite high rate elevator you'll have no problem flairing. I used thier full flaps which were very effective...again this is based on my 10mph wind so you be judge...."fly the airplane". I just put it out there for referance...

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/13/2009 7:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		my p51 has a zenoah 62 bcm muffler customized, weight was 18 pounds had to add ballast so it met our minimum weight for racing which is 24 pounds, it still few smooth just came in a little faster full flaps fixed that ,only thing that has let me down is the undercarriage plates in wing first one ripped out on the first start when i flipped the prop which damaged the spar and the top and bottom sheeting contacted the company never heard back from them!! repaired it and it just survived the race weekend where on a hard landing the other side did the same thing so i am doing a foam wing other than that it flies so nice you could use it as second model

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/13/2009 9:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		before you make a wing out of foam, go to this post and do the landing gear modification.
Work like a charm and never breakes!

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1158439/mpage_51/key_/tm.htm

Gear mounting modification post 1263

good luck

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/14/2009 4:49 AM   
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I also did a wing mod similiar to that found on page 51. mine is on page 69 and is post#1716-1717. I had also beefed-up the ribs. If you are interested I have some drawings that I would be glad to send you. Just give me an address and they will be on the way.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/15/2009 6:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi oconcj, i certainly would appreciate some plans on the p-51 gear fix. email me and i'll send back my mailing home address. also let me know what would be owing to you for plans + postage. much thanks, (fujiman) hyperdude64@yahoo.com one more thing to all those reading this post. can anyone point the post or info on the horizonal stab reposition kit to raise it to the proper scale position and it also strengthens the mounting of stab.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/16/2009 3:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fujiman,
Here's the link for the stab kit. Howard also sells a high quality exhaust manifold kit..

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/16/2009 8:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanks picard1 for the link!!!!

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/16/2009 12:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi just finished removing the covering and found the sheeting has come loose on the top and bottom of the wing as well i am going to remove it and see what lies underneath, thanks for the link to the repair, will see how much work is needed and decide from there

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/16/2009 9:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		makes you wonder why buy an arf when you have to completely rebuild the dang thing. no more t.f. prods for me. no thanks i'm going to go back to building it myself. more pride and by far better built. just my 8 cents worth. PS: Top flite needs to be made to buy back all these junk p-51 arfs but i have no great illusions about this, they won't even respond to my emails for help!!!





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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/17/2009 3:11 AM   
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I think I read earlier that there response, If I'm correct is that they designed it correctly and there are no problems with the design. As long as the plane is such a good flyer and they sell alot, they just stick there head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. My 2 cents!

Chris

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/17/2009 1:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes that about sums it up. they have lost another top flite customer. maybe they will go the way of the deo-deo bird. top flite are you listening!!!!!!!!

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/17/2009 6:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, you would think with all problems that we keep complaining about that TF would do something. I am constantly having to shrink my covering to keep it looking nice to go to the field. And then with all the complaints of the way the construction of the LG area, where we have all had to go back in and rebuild the webbing in that area. Hopefully nobody gets hurt before they will listen to us.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/18/2009 1:39 AM   
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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/18/2009 3:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been working on my ARF P-15 for about 2 years!! Every time I about get it ready to go, I have found some other problem that needs fixing - like the LG area in the wings and the shear webbing running the wrong way. Its been a real pain in the Butt to get it to where I will trust it and the wrinkly covering really makes it look like a "beater" even when its new. They could have done better that's for sure. There are fixes for everything but I've built about 40 models and never had this much dinking around to do on any of the ones I've built. I guess you could say I'm not a happy camper with TF either because of all the problems. I've seen these models fly though and they really do perform nicely so that's a very positive aspect of this model. I'm hanging in there and picking away at mine and if/when I finally do get it to the field and if it flies like the others I've seen, I'm gonna make it a building project to peel off the plastic covering and glass and paint it. Meanwhile, moan, complain, gripe, etc, etc.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/18/2009 4:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Think thats what I am going to do. Strip everything off and glass it, and paint it like it should be and never worry about the wrinkles again. With the wind blowing 40 to 65 mph here in the Texas panhandle I will have plenty of time.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/19/2009 2:30 AM   
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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 2:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hear ya. It seems like when I am at work it is really nice and when I get off work the dang WIND blows 100 mph until night time then it quits again. I have always been told that if you can fly here in the Texas panhandle you can fly anywhere. Our winds on average of 13 mph. Very agrivating

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		flyn' in the wind makes you sharp. I got used to flying in the wind in the hi desert in calif., improved my landings and then when the wind stopped I found flying alot easier. You learn to use the wind to an advantage. I even trained a couple of friends to fly in some really hi winds with a sureflite cessna foamy and when the wind stopped and they flew they had a hard time flying, they said they got used to the wind. I think a little head wind can help when flying a heavy wing loaded war bird like the tf p-51 arf, etc., fools the plane into thinking it is going faster. Take care all, fujiman, out for now

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 1:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		received this email from my agent in australia

Further comments from our Hobby Services Department:
""I am still unsure what kit / ARF he has; he has not identified it
Further, his statement about the wing sheeting being loose is not valid
as that could of occurred when the wing plate pulled out. The grain of
the sheer web is in the correct orientation for the best strength. Our
designers in R&D have done extensive testing on this and the horizontal
grain is clearly the strongest orientation.

Lastly, there is no design flaw with any of our kits or ARFs of the
P-51. It is very simple to rip a landing gear plate off if you are using
a rough runway. That is not a design flaw."" In my opinion, this
point should be made clear to the customer.

That being said, we typically would not cover this under warranty.
However, if you would like to please this consumer let me know and I
will ldo what you think is best.

just my imagination that there is a problem???

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 2:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess everyone that has had a rough field to fly off of!!!! their 51's just fall apart the same place/same way? hog wash!!! top flite is coping out on this!!! some guys who have taken off the sheeting on the wing have found no glue on some of the ribs and joints, no vertical shear webbing on main spar, etc. i'm not an aircraft engineer, but i have built many model airplanes, kits and scratch built and have not had one come apart like 90% of all these 1/5 scale arf/arc 51s. time to take your head out of sand top flite and man up on this airplane and either discontinue this arf/arc or make it rite with us that have put faith and our money ($300.00 +) for this airplane. i personally won't buy another top flite product ever again, kit or arf. they can say all day long that there is nothing wrong with the 51 arf/arc but all the number of failures tells a different story. i've got one and i'll do all the mods to this plane because i'm so deep into it i can't stop now!!! they won't get another dime of my hard earned money. just my 8 cent worth. fujiman out

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 7:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm also "so deep into it I can't stop now" either. You are in good company!!

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 9:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love mine over 130 flights same Robart, gear area took about an hour to fiberglass and reinforce the gear rail area. I am starting a GSTF P47 build in the next few days. These are very good flying planes and the price is very good for the size. I don't think any other ARF can come close in the price and size area, and most ARFs need work especially larger ones. Just wanted to put another opinion out there. Good Luck, Kevin.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/23/2009 10:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got to agree with crashproof they are good flying planes. I bought 1 used about 4 years ago and really enjoyed flying it till i lost it. I believe a plane this size needs reinforcing. That is why I fiberglassed this one I am putting together now. The way I see some of the way theses tf gs scales are flown you need to strengthen them up or they will come apart.

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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/24/2009 1:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mine is starting it's fourth season and is still my everyday flier. I have flown mine so much that I've lost count. Yes, I've ripped the gear out and forceably removed the firewall once. But I don't blame Top-Flite for my bad landing. These METAL retracts have a lot of leaverage on the WOOD that is holding them.

The only mod I've done to mine is to strenghten the retract bay. Other than that she is Box Stock with a G-62 flying at 130 mph.

I've never look inside the wing because I felt there was no need.

I thought it was such a great plane that I have another one sitting under my work table.

Crashproof can confirm how my stang is flown.

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Hey Crashproof are you going to Rocky Mount this weekend?


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RE: TF 1/5 Scale P-51 ARF Assembly (1ST MISHAP!!!) - 4/24/2009 2:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah that Baldeagle is flown very FAST and very GOOD I might add. I can't make it to RM this weekend. I wish I could always like going there. I will be at the Vanceboro Warbirds the next weekend though. Hope to see ya soon. Kevin.

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