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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/15/2003 4:22:02 PM   
RRyan



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OSD,

You sure hit on an important point. Many times it seems that misunderstandings breakout due to the nature of this electronic medium. I know some of my humor on other forums has been taken as serious and caused hard feelings, so I try very hard to keep to the facts and only get funny if I know and am known by those I'm addressing. It can be very frustrating, we can't see the facial expressions or hear the intonations and there is much lost in communication without them. This is also a little more difficult than a paper letter inthat we tend not to proof-read and reflect on what we said before we hit the submit button.

In respect to the question asked and the responses here, the question can be legitimate or as many have taken it, a demeaning baiting. I, as a Free Flighter have been asked the same question and been jabbed with the same taunt, but the implication being that I am too poor finacially to "step up" to "real aeromodeling", that's really insulting. I, as others, have simply chosen the type of modeling that fulfills our wants and desires. I fly RC, but it in no way fills the bill and I never leave a session satisfied. Perhaps if I were to compete I would feel differently, but I have no desire to do so. I fly CL Stunt and find it tremendously challenging and satisfying. I do compete and it gives me a purpose and an outlet for my competitive side. I fly Free Flight proficiently in competition and the true expression of my creativeness and competitiveness comes out there. I move laterally from discipline the discipline as I want. For many in the 50's that's the way it was, we all flew as many different types as we could, or at least in my locale the modelers were like that. I would like to say to those that question anothers modeler's choice in discipline that before you ridicule, give it a try, you may be in for a pleasant surprise. There is simply too much fun to be had in our wide ranging hobby to cheat yourself out of any of it. Try it all and then when the question comes up you'll have firsthand answers instead of inflamitory opinions.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 12:32:58 AM   
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... but the implication being that I am too poor finacially to "step up" to "real aeromodeling"...,


Hmmm. Lets look at the expense of just a "rubber band" model. A wakefield capable of world class competition can run around $3,000 or so with all the bells and whistles. Naturally you need at least one back up model. Then there are the winders, stooges, thermal detectors torque meters etc. A motorbike to chase with is also nice, as are binoculars and a good compass ,I recommend a military surplus lensatic. What does rubber go for these days? Twenty,Thirty bucks a pound?

Yeah, I can see where finances could come into play.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 12:47:12 AM   
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And you can have fun with the AMA Cub for about three bucks.

George

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 12:54:24 AM   
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Jessie:

You mentioned the rubber. Don't forget that about half the boxes of rubber you buy aren't quite "Up to snuff," and get used for practice only, or thrown away.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 12:34:57 PM   
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I understand that the makers of Tan-2 were persuaded to manufacture some rubber for modeling. One is Tan Sport. Don't remember the name of the other grade.

George

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 12:50:15 PM   
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George,

FAI Model Supply has the tan rubber madel exclusively for modeling. Tan II is nolonger available because one of the ingredients used in its manufacture has become unobtainable. The Tan Sport rubber is reported by some to be right on parr with the original Tan I which was still pretty good rubber. At any rate, its the only rubber there is that's good enough for competition and its sold around the world. John Clapp is the owner of FAI Model Supply and hes also a Free Flighter who competes in rubber events.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 2:40:55 PM   
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RC fliers never get to experience the thrill? when a many-strand rubber motor blows up while winding.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 2:55:28 PM   
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I've seen grown men go pale! 80 grams of the stuff and 140 in. oz. is really impressive when it "goes off"

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 4:22:47 PM   
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Or the nice sport Golliwock that becomes a wing and tail loosely connected by a silk and dope bag of balsa splinters.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 6:46:35 PM   
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Sigrun, I do believe you were being quite harsh on Stykaas in your first post. By that time we had already determined that his unfortunate tone was unintended, unfortunate and had much to do with his lack of familiarity with English. The tone of his post had been brougt up and dealt with to the satisfaction of all and did not need your harsh words added to the heap. Perhaps if you'd taken the time to read all the posts and look between the lines? (Ooh, I made a pun )

Anyway, Strykass, if you're still reading this thread I go along with the others when I say you should look into this aspect of modeling a little more if you can find the time. Control line is obviously not as popular as RC these days but the groups ARE out there. Check into your area a little more and I'm sure you'll find out that there is an active group.

And for the record there is NOTHING IN MODELING that I have ever done that can equal the excitement of control line combat. Even RC combat, as exciting as I imagine it would be, pales by comparison because you don't have the physical aspect of dodging in and around your opponent to avoid the line tangles while trying to gain the advantage. I see CL combat as a modern day sword match model airplane style. Build a profile stunter and just reduce the control throws and keep the balance forward and use that as a trainer. Tune it up as your skills adapt and then try some combat.

Combat is something I come back to now and then and then the brutal amount of building and repairs chases me away for a while. But the adrenaline rush of the arena keeps me coming back....


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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/16/2003 11:35:11 PM   
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G'day BM

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Sigrun, I do believe you were being quite harsh on Stykaas in your first post.


And I would respond - not at all. As my yet unrequited courtesy and friendly intent clarified clearly in my second post to him.

If you care to re-read the entire thread verbatim yourself, you'll note that my first post in this thread to which you presumably refer was in response to and addressing comments made by shortman. In that post, I made a singular remark, far from inaccurate in regard to the thread header, that "The question itself is silly, and one doesn't have to look for what the original poster was seeking by how he framed his question.".

To wit.

Strykaas has made in excess of 460 posts on this forum in English in just 7 months since joining in March, an average in excess of 2 per day every day. And he has presumably read considerably more...in English. He certainly understands how to use angry bee "smileys" along with the usenet derived conventions of "shouting" and "foot stamping" and an acquired rudeness which were inarguably deliberate and demonstratively indicative of considerably greater comprehension of both language and convention than he otherwise cares to let on - and of which you excuse him? Despite his expressed indignation and threat to 'take his ball home and not play on RCU any more', he is still around reading this thread as you are undoubtedly aware - I saw him perusing here again yesterday - as well as participating in other threads.

It would not be unreasonable to suggest that one doesn't have to be a potential Mensa candidate to logically determine that his grasp of the English language and convention is sufficiently adequate, and in fact wasn't the culprit of the manner in which he expressed himself in the header or text of the thread to which we now refer despite his belated protestations to the contrary having subsequently picked up on his faux pas. Though English is presumably (?) not his first language and does allow a convenient and face saving "benefit of the doubt" out...which was proffered with a grace considerably more commendable than the reciprocal appreciation.

As I took considerable time at the time to point out accurately, succinctly and yet politely, strykaas's attitude by implication to C/L further expressed in the context of several comments he made during the thread before I commented gave the game away to anyone with an IQ numerically greater than their own shoe size despite his later vociferous extortations of contrary intent when he 'read' the mood. Clearly he gave many others the same impression. You may choose to believe his exhortations if you wish. I don't, but didn't and still don't choose to make issue of it further. In fact to the contrary as my final post to his uncalled for rudeness and indignation makes quite clear. As such and I find your public criticism of my courteously expressed right of reply not only uncalled for, but aimed at totally the wrong target. By way of example, I don't agree with your opinion that I was harsh, but note the courtesy and respect with which I respond addressing the issue non ad hominem?

I contend that I had a right to courteously express my opinion in my post to shortman, and my first post to styrkaas was made in reasonable right of reply in response to his own, as is this.

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By that time we had already determined that his unfortunate tone was unintended, unfortunate and had much to do with his lack of familiarity with English.


Au contraire. Unless you are reading an entirely different thread from me, according to English 'as she is spoke' and any definition of logic with which I am familiar, I would contend that you are mistaken.

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The tone of his post had been brougt up and dealt with to the satisfaction of all and did not need your harsh words added to the heap.


Need one point out the all too obvious self-irony in that sentence?

What "harsh words" are you referring to specifically? If you are referring to my second post addressed to strykaas, are you suggesting that I shouldn't have reasonable right of reply? In fact if you wish to remonstrate, I suggest you remonstrate his rudeness and behaviour, as in my post I was not only courteous of which given his manner it could be argued he was undeserving, but kept my comments friendly, civil and relevant to the thread rather than replicating strykaas's own indulgance in shouting and a totally unnecessary emotive outburst.

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Perhaps if you'd taken the time to read all the posts and look between the lines? (Ooh, I made a pun )


With respect that statement deserves, this is a written medium. Perhaps if you took your own advice? Re-read what I said, in the context I said it, the manner in which I said it, and why I said it...along with the context of my subsequent quite friendly invitational post to strykaas all made abundantly clear.

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And for the record there is NOTHING IN MODELING that I have ever done that can equal the excitement of control line combat.


With which I concur. It's nice to close agreeably on common ground - wouldn't you agree?

cheers

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/17/2003 2:09:27 AM   
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Sigrun, I suppose I should have phrased my reply to you more along the lines of you adding to the response at a late date when it was no longer required. Others had already mentioned his tone and he had already responded that perhaps it wasn't worded that well and had not been intended as an attack. You just happened to be the last of the many and I guess I saw it as not really needed at that point. Especially since it seems to have chased Strykaas away.

And 460 posts or not I gather that English is his second language. It's not often that a second language can be used with the same flair that a native tongue can be weilded. You obviously have a firm command of the English language (or you ate a dictionary ) but I doubt you could be so eloquent in a second language.

In any event he'll have to sink or swim on what he's learned. And if he really did take offense at our posts then he's probably not thick skinned enough to survive the Internet anyway...

At least we agree on the combat thing....

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/17/2003 6:12:10 AM   
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Cut the guy a break, sigrun. rudness is in the French genes. He can't help it.

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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/17/2003 11:56:53 AM   
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George wrote:

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And you can have fun with the AMA Cub for about three bucks.


You have that right!! Those AMA Cubs are fun, especially when one is flying with a group of Cub Scouts whom he helped build and trim Cubs of their own!! (For any of you involved with a Pack, think Summertime Pack Activity.) I've had the a great deal of unadulterated pleasure building the old Jetco Thermic 18's and losing them OOS!

While I do not consider myself a free flight modeler, I do enjoy it on a small scale. I also attribute my being able to trouble shoot and fix basic trim problems with other types of models to my somewhat limited free flight experience. To me, that discipline may be the most challenging. One has no control whatsoever of the model once it is launched, so it had better be built and trimmed correctly if it is to perform satisfactorily. I might be a primarily free flight modeler if the area here had any relatively level, open areas under 3000' above sea level.

Suffice it to say that if all model pilots had a bit of free flight experience they would be better CL or RC pilots as well.


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RE: Why not move on to R/C ? - 10/17/2003 2:10:19 PM   
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