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How do you cut foam wing cores for a Spitfire? - 9/30/2003 4:34:37 AM   
zoomzoooie



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I have been thinking of building a small foam core Spitfire. I was trying to figure out how to go about cutting the foam wing cores on an elliptical tapered wing like that of the Spitfire.

This is my thoughts on how to do it. Let me know it this is on the right track or not.
Place the root and tip forms on the ends of the foam. Now if you just follow the rib forms to cut the airfoil shape, then cut the elliptical shape to the wing, you will be left with blunt edges, so some how you need to make the cut do both the airfoil shape and the elliptical wing shape at the same time. How do you do this? Do you set the tip so it will be wedged up to get the proper shape to the cut? So if this is right then how do you figure out how much wedge, where to put it and the shape of the tip form rib?

And if this not right, HOW do you go about doing it?

ZZ
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RE: How do you cut foam wing cores for a Spitfire? - 9/30/2003 4:13:30 PM   
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Here's how I had to do it on my RCM plan spit Mk I With foam wings (about 65" span)

The tip 6" will be a sandwich of balsa and 1/16 ply, with teh rest of the wing being foam. Or there abouts. I beileve I had the balsa tips starting at teh end of teh ailerons (from the aileron to teh wing tip was balsa). The ply had 'fingers' that would help join it to the rest of teh wing; additional strength. Or, leave these off, for a 'clipped wing' spit..

The aleading edge was a layered series of balsa strips. You'll need one one was you build, and the others afterwards. 3 x 1/8" sounds about right..

Make 2 'root' templates, and one 'tip' template. You'll be using the templates twice for your 'hot wire' so, make them 'heat resistant'. Mark thier centetr lines, both horizontal and vertical. Also, make two 'bottom skins'. make them from a fairly hard balsa. Mark the datum (center line) on the skins (trace the plan)

The center section is a simple, constant cord section. Two root templates.

The 'tapered wing panel are the tricky part:

With the block cut to width, fasten the two root templates to each end, ensureing teh correct 'washout' on the tip. Cut core. Yeah, it'll be a constant chord whing at this point, with washout.

Save teh blanks that the core was cut from (the top & bottiom of the foam block). You'll need them to glue teh skins on, to ensure no twists.

Glue the bottom skin to the block, aligning the datum line on the skin with the center marks on the tip and root. Glue, place in teh blanks, and secure, and set aside. cut the other one.

Cut a leading edge strip, one end teh as thick as teh root template, the other as the tip template. You should have a long strip the length of the wing panel (plus a little extra due to curavature) that tapers form the root to the tip. 1/8" balsa worked for me, if I remember. Don't worry too much if it's a little under or orversized, as it's more of a sanding guide at this point.

Now the fun part.. Secure teh 'tip' template to the tip of teh core. Aling the bottom edge with the skin, and the center line should align with the datum line on teh skin. Flip over, and remove all foam outside teh balsa skin. So, you'll have that lovely eliptical wing shape. Glue the leading edge strip in place. Now, with a long sanding bar, sand teh crap out of the top portion of the foam core. [lots of styro dust!! do it ourside!!] You want to sand to the tops of both the root and tip tremplates, and the LE strip. The trailing esdge should nicely feather to the balsa skin.

Sheet the top, and add moer leading edge pieces, and sand. Cut out the ailerons. Cut out 1/4" x 4" slots at teh root for 1/4" balsa spars / stiffeners. Ditto for teh wing center section. Sand in the required dehidral angle (sand after, or cut in as you cut the cores)Glyue all three parts togehter. Add spars...

Cut a groove for the aileron control line (golden rods), then fille with balsa.

Cut holes for retracts, lines, servos, etc..

hope that helps, and hope I haven't confudsed you!!


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RE: How do you cut foam wing cores for a Spitfire? - 10/6/2003 9:58:51 AM   
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Dr_Wogz

I get what you are saying about how to cut and shape the wing. It sound like it would be difficult to get a smooth constant surface during the sanding.

I want to build mine 1/12 scale with a 36.5" WS. I want it mostly of foam without balsa sheeting. It will be glassed.

This is my thought:
As you say make a root and a tip template and glue them onto the ends of your core with the proper washout, then cut the wing out. It will be normal tapered cord wing at this point. Remove the tip template but leave the root template on. Relocate the tip template (might need a different shape) with the peak of the upper camber located at the position the peak of the wing tip would be at when the wing is complete. (You will have to figure that part out). Now sandwich the wing in the top and bottom left overs from the core. Make a curving wedge to place between the wing core sandwich and the work surface so that it bends the wing curving upward. The height and the amount of curve will determine the ellipse shape. (This part you have to figure out to get the ellipse shape right). Make a second pass with the hot wire and you should end up with a finished wing core ready for covering.

...Well at least in my mind or until I try it.

Now have I got you confused or does this sound like it should work?

ZZ

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RE: How do you cut foam wing cores for a Spitfire? - 10/6/2003 10:26:10 AM   
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i built a small spit with 3 templates per wing half. first you cut the root and half wing, then half wing and tip. this gave a double taper wing. the rest was done with balsa TE and LE sanded to the right shape. the balsa was much thicker at the center of each core than by the ends and join.
the wash out was draw into the ribs as you put them on, quite alot!!

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RE: How do you cut foam wing cores for a Spitfire? - 10/6/2003 4:06:11 PM   
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For your thought:

No, your initial 'wing half' core is a constant chord wing (straight, no taper, tip is teh same as teh root) glue the bottom sheet on; which is alrady cut to shape: eliptical. repalce the top and biottom 'shucks (the other parts cut fromteh foam to get teh cores). Doing this ensure the sheeting is glued on securely,a nd the wing half does not warp, kink, bend, induce more (or less) washout, etc..

remove them from the shucks. The bottom skin is a template to cut the remaining constant chord from the wing. A template to cut int the elliptical shape. You no longer need the shucks.

Next you add the smaller tip template; aligned to teh bottom of teh wing, and with the bottom skin in place, sand to 'elliptical' shape, using teh bbiottom sking, and the tip and root templates as giuds. Using a long sanding bar, you'll maintain a flat top of teh wing.

The dehidral angleis cut in the foam at the root.

Phillybaby has it! that's a great sugestion for a small wing. The other option is to cut many sections, and then sand int eh sweet eliptical curve...

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I have thought thast you could run the hot wire against teh tip (smaller) template, the leading edge, and teh trailing edge (keeping the wire parallel to the datum) that you'll get teh top of teh wing cut to shape. [no snading required] never tried it, but is sounds like it should work


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