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AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 4:57:01 AM   
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Is it possible for the AMA to lose its non profit status? If possible, how likely? I believe the AMA maintains its non profit status as a "modeling educator" and that seems, to me, to be tentative, since education seems to be a very minor portion of its agenda. I have been looking around here and it seems that the education aspect is all but non existent.

It seems to me the majority of concerns addressed here are insurance related, activity related or about the inner workings of the AMA...not much about how to educate or educate more effectively. Are we leaving the barn door open? What say ye?
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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 7:10:49 AM   
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Wouldn't it be great if, on a regular basis, the ama had seminars, classes, informative sessions, community involvment...ect, ect??(outside of a competative/show atmosphere.)
I know that when I first heard of the ama, I had already built my first plane! But I do know of various other orgs that I have absolutely no interest in what so ever. I honestly don't understand who they are educating exactly. Maybe school programs somewhere?? Never at one of my schools, and I went to about eight, plus college. Do they educate members? Seems a lot of members just want to be left alone to fly. I don't think they'll lose their no-pro status though, just doesn't seem likely, especially if they keep the right people happy.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 12:11:23 PM   
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District 1 used to have a District meeting once a year when I lived there more quite a few years ago. It was great - vendors, seminars, flying demos, etc. However, since being in District 3 I have not even seen the VP and hear little from the local AMA representation - except AVP Mike Barbbi who is exptremely active locally.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 3:01:42 PM   
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Yes it is possible.

I am not sure how likely at this point.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 6:26:35 PM   
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I2DDD,

You should really go over the "trash can" on FL because they specialize in Trolling. When I first replied to some of you post I thought that you were sincere in you quest for information, but all I have really seen is someone bent on starting a troll threard (such as this one) in order to "engage" someone in internet sparring.

You been added, as I sure others have done, to my ignore list.

PM me if you ever go over to the TC and I will meet you in what could be call the "forum' for this type of stuff. Just let me know your handle of FL so I know who I'm writing to.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 6:53:19 PM   
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Most of the "educating" seems to be done by clubs. That is a two way streeet. It helps the hobby and provides membership to the club. This gives the club more punch when confronting local government concerning flying sites. The only thing I have been able to find in MA is that there is an AMA educational program every year at Oshkosh. In the district reports there are many items about local clubs encouraging youngsters by a hands on buddy box session. I believe AMA should go the distance on the introductory program that provides coverage for a few days of buddy box time. Give the prospective pilot, and club member enough time to find out if he is really interested in the hobby. One weekend or three days won't do the job for someone we are trying to convince that this is a fine hobby with good people.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 7:35:06 PM   
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rsallen13.....I don't see what's wrong with starting a debate? People do it all the time here. I2DDD hasn't bashed anyone on this post. I think it's a good question actually.

Ballgunner, isn't it strange though how the ama is supposed to be an 'educational' non-profit org. , and as you said, you can only find 1 example of such? I understand the clubs educating, and that's great, all the better to help their members....hence the effort, but what about the ama, and its members. Or do you figure they feel the clubs are doing the job just fine? I would think that being the national organization for model aircraft, and being set-up as an edu. non-pro, the ama would want to do more with its clout/$$/people, ect.
Just a thought.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 8:27:12 PM   
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From what I have seen, they need to educate the membership on how to handle shoot downs.......

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 8:39:19 PM   
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zxcv11
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I2DDD hasn't bashed anyone on this post


Go back and read a few of the threads that he has started in this forum. They start out very similar to this one to lure in comments and then starts bashing.

Just my opinion. Let us see how he progresses in this and other threads going forward.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 8:48:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: taxman232ex

From what I have seen, they need to educate the membership on how to handle shoot downs.......



OOOOOO, crossed threads!!!

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/10/2003 8:56:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zxcv11

Ballgunner, isn't it strange though how the ama is supposed to be an 'educational' non-profit org. , and as you said, you can only find 1 example of such? I understand the clubs educating, and that's great, all the better to help their members....hence the effort, but what about the ama, and its members. Or do you figure they feel the clubs are doing the job just fine? I would think that being the national organization for model aircraft, and being set-up as an edu. non-pro, the ama would want to do more with its clout/$$/people, ect.
Just a thought.

B.


The question that started this thread presumed facts that are not true, and that could why AMA's status with the IRS looks strange to you. Qualifying for special status under the tax code as a non-profit is not limited to education. Criteria are more general than that, as in existing for 'the public good.' It's arguable as to whether or not AMA's programs would adequately demonstrate the benefit to the tax-paying public, as compared to self-serving interests. The EC is aware of this, and the topic is put on the table from time to time. The last of heard of the issue was talk of establishing an AMA Foundation specifically to consolidate 'public good' types of activities, and IIRC Rich Hanson was appointed to lead the effort. For all I know that might have been dropped after they decided keeping a museum and awarding a few scholarships was enough. These things are rarely challenged, and when they are and an enterprise does lose its exempt status, it is more likely to be for activities that exempted organizations are prohibited from engaging in. These include most political activism, including lobbying (yeah, I know....). One very visible organization that was challenged and lost was Pat Robertson and his flock of right-fringers, whatever they call themselves.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/11/2003 1:14:16 AM   
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Thanks for the info Abel.
I must be getting bad info from everyone if the ama is not an Educational non-profit org. I understand that non-profit doesn't have to be educational....but I've been told numerous times...not just in this thread, that this was their status as a non-profit org. Sometimes this is all so confusing, and ya really can't depend on anything you hear here. LOL.
I guess I'm going to start spending less time on here, and more time seeking other avenues to the info. I desire. Plus I probably won't get hassled HALF as much as I usually do on here!!

Thanx again abe!!

Bri
Edit-I think it would be a GREAT idea if the ama had programs such as those mentioned above!! I know I would attend as many as my sched. permitted...and know many ppl I could turn on to RC flying too.

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/11/2003 1:20:48 AM   
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quote:

From what I have seen, they need to educate the membership on how to handle shoot downs.......


I think your other avitar fit you better Taxman.
One has nothing to do with the other.

Or are you so tied up with yourself that you can't resist following others around the forums harrassing them??

Brian

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/11/2003 1:23:03 AM   
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quote:

Go back and read a few of the threads that he has started in this forum. They start out very similar to this one to lure in comments and then starts bashing.
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I said this post rs...that's why I made the distinction. I have seen MANY ppl. bashing in other threads, but I don't go into other threads they post in and bash them.

Brian

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RE: AMA for profit - 10/11/2003 2:34:30 AM