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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 1:25:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike in DC

I2DDD, I'm not sure why the feeding frenzy. I suspect a lot of board members are concerned about the same thing, and it didn't seem like a troll to me, although your choice of subject and wording were a little sensational, plus you didn't explain well how the liability would occur. Whatever started it, if you look past the tone of J_R's response (post 21), I think you'll see some valid comments.

Dave Brown talked at our club last night, and one of the items covered was insurance. From Dave's comments, I think J_R is correct that the AMA is going to cover almost anything that happens at the flying field, regardless of what rules your board makes or doesn't make. Dave described a current case where two club members started fighting. A third club member got between them to stop the fight, and was injured. Guess who is probably going to pay (yes, you and me, via our AMA dues). Dave stated something that J_R has said here repeatedly, that 1/2 of all claims, including fatalities, do NOT involve a model airplane.

From Dave's comments, I would assume that any rules the board makes about the flying field (such as in your original post) will have no effect on the AMA coverage. Your hypothetical occurs at the flying field as well, so the AMA would cover it, and it seems unlikely the board would be liable (lawyers tend to go for the deep pockets and ignore the shallow pockets).

However, there are still some decisions the board makes that have nothing to do with the flying field, and that's why clubs incorporate, or, as in my case, the board gets its own liability insurance in addition to AMA. One case comes to mind is the problem of getting rid of a club member who violates club rules. What if the club member sues, saying he was kicked out because of a Federally protected minority status? I don't think the AMA, as generous as it is, would get involved.

I don't know if there are other examples, but the board of my club is extremely legally and politically savvy. They are also extremely thrifty. If they think it's worth $800 a year of club money, I would assume they have very good reason, because they are not the kind of guys to throw away $800 (practically $4 per club member per year).


Thanks Mike

Our club is looking at the possibility of incorporation and/or more insurance, either one or both, will be a major drain on our already strained budget. My position, I have put in front of the club, is that we should not make any rules that are not absolutely necessary but there are others in the club that seem to want to make rules for every perceived problem, for convenience and comfort and such, that does not relate directly to safety that could be construed as a safety rule by an insurer or lawyer in the event of an accident. I just feel that would be bad business on the clubs part as a whole. I feel that common courtesy should rule on those matters and rules pertaining to those issues should be avoided.

I guess the sensational title of this thread did get attention and maybe that was inappropriate but I really wanted to get some insight from those here and some "realistic" suggestions. I apologize to all those that meant well for my demeanor and also for my foul language. To the others that only intend to disrupt “get a hobby or something”

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 2:31:37 AM   
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If you had given your thread a reasonable title, and simply posted the first paragraph of your latest post, it is likely that you would have achieved the desired discussion. Taking the approach of the National Enquirer is not going to be well received in this forum.

It has become obvious that you know considerably more than you pretend. I am not sure why you chose that approach. You are capable of being a useful member of this forum... one that can help others that are less knowledgeable.

There are some pretty intelligent people that post here. They may be able to help when you have a real question, but, most will not if you continue to take the approach you have in the past.

The answer to some questions lies with the members of the leadership of the AMA. There comes a time, when one or more of them need to be consulted to get a factual answer. Many times, the answers lie with the members of this forum. As an example, Able Pranger knows more about the consequenses of rule 3 of the Safety Code than anyone except Carl Maroney, IMHO. Abel is highly unlikely to enter a pi--ing match to offer his opinion.

When I can, I prefer to answer questions with facts. Occasionally, I will state my opinion. I try to make sure that which is which is clear. The members of this forum, as a rule, tend to side with facts over opinion. I think that is as it should be.

I have no idea what your problem with me is. You started attacking from the very beginning. I don't really care. I will still support your right to your opinion.

At any rate, I offer you the opportunity to become a productive member of this community. If you back off on the personal attacks, I will also. If not, keep your head down.

JR

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 3:10:42 AM   
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I2DDD



At any rate, I offer you the opportunity to become a productive member of this community. If you back off on the personal attacks, I will also. If not, keep your head down.

JR

JR

No attack here, but that is exactly the problem I have with you. It seems that you want to JUDGE, and determine what is appropriate for a productive member then GIVE the opportunity to post here. If a member’s post here is not as you perceive it should be then you administer your brand of punishment, which is no better than that in which you wish to correct. Many others here look up to you for their cues. I feel that out of everyone here you should reserve judgment and give benefit of doubt for a harmony to exist. I have absolutely no problem admitting when I am wrong...Do you?

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 3:21:18 AM   
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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 3:35:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ballgunner
One more shot at this and that is a forum I wll skip. Why waste a lot of good building time on something that begins to look like a kindergarten playground?


I understand your position perfectly, and wanted to bail myself at times. However, there are serious subjects to discuss here, and I think that letting a few members drive everyone else out would be a shame.

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 3:41:25 AM   
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I neither asked for, nor do I expect an apology. Nor are you going to get one.

Your actions in the future will determine mine. As when you came into this forum attacking me, it is your decision to make. I am simply offering a line in time.

Please do not think that my offer is one where I will not offer opposing opinions, and/or facts in a discussion, nor do I expect you to withhold yours. Either we will go forward in a civil manner or we will not. Again.. the decision is yours. What we have done has inhibited some good participants in this forum. That they return and post is my only motive.

JR

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 3:50:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Geistware

Open question, How would a club officers protect themselves if it was not incorporated.

The corporate shield is very fragile, particularly here in CA. It varies from state to state. I would certainly prefer a club that is incorporated, but that is not guarantee that an officer is protected from claims of negligent acts. Going to court is always a crap shoot.

Insurance is the answer to your question, and then, only for covered acts. For instance, the AMA has dropped thier coverage for libel and slander. It behooves the officers to watch what they say or write, and to keep an eye on what is published in the newsletter, as well.

JR

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 4:02:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: J_R

I2DDD
I am simply offering a line in time.


JR


JR

You just don't get it. I or anyone eles for that matter does not NEED you or your offer and will continue with or without you or your OFFERING.

< Message edited by I2DDD -- 10/19/2003 4:05:46 AM >

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 5:14:42 AM   
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Status: online 		I think this is a bunch off Bull !!!!!!!!!!!!! It is geting to be a private joke!! Trols !!! I see them every where, Get off of it and be real.

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 6:23:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RC Outlaw

I think this is a bunch off Bull !!!!!!!!!!!!! It is geting to be a private joke!! Trols !!! I see them every where, Get off of it and be real.

I guess I caught me a little fishy. I guess I will throw this little guy back so he can grow up. LOL

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RE: Club board members sued! - 10/19/2003 2:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		This will be the last post in this thread. Too much in the way of personal attacks. If this is an important subject then start a new thread without all of the garbage. Otherwise I will have to go in and start editing/deleting/fixing, and I would rather not do that.

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