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Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/20/2003 11:42:45 PM   
Deandome



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Just when I start feeling all warm & fuzzy re. the new Savage models (I recommended it to someone, a newbie, unfortunately!!!), I start hearing reports of some pretty serious chinks in it's impenetratable armor.

Seems like there are LOTS of leaky engines ("Did you gasket seal the backplate. This is a must and a problem with the s25. " ), defective, possessed RotoStarts ("Yep I've had the roto start button on both units stick in the down position"/"My rotostart button sticks, too. I bought mine at Hobby Warehouse in Palos Hills. I just saw a post on Savage Central with someone else with this problem. It really pisses me off to spend this much money, and have a static model." ) and throttle servos (and others?) coming un-centered ("also try to re adjust the servo cause the directions say to recenter the as they were not centered at the factory" ).

I guess anything's bulletproof if it never gets to the front lines!

Seriously, I know these are new models, and I know that they aren't fatal flaws that can & will send experienced hobbyists elsewhere.

But it DOES seem like the mighty House of Savage needs to get a LOT of sh*t together, and pretty FAST. JESUS, the 25 is supposed to be RTR, and people are talking about how (almost universally) you're supposed to remove the motor & re-seal the rear plate!!! That's a HUGE problem, especially for newbies. My god, taking it OUT is an ordeal, taking off the plate, re-sealing it in clean-room-like conditions & reinstalling (making sure all the critical gear meshing tolerences are re-achieved)....that's a boatload of grief, not to mention a good 2 hours of fun!

The RotoStart is NOT a new item, but they're still crapping out.

They can't set a simple servo horn properly?? And recommendations are flying that people "just" re-do their whole throttle linkage to make it better.

I'm sorry, but this all combines to make a compelling arguement that Savage is ONLY for experienced hobbyists, not newbies. A newbie (nor 20yr. veteran!!) should NOT be expected to have to have to remove the engine & perform surgery on it before break in is completed. An RTR should NOT require servo & linkage adjustments, or ANY of the other stuff, either.

Note that I am NOT saying all this proves that the S-25 or SS are POSs, or that this proves that the T-Maxx is "better". But it DOES prove that Savage has a lot to learn about making trucks that can be taken out of the box & RUN without years of RC/Nitro experience.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/20/2003 11:57:32 PM   
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Ya, i know what you mean. It took HPI a year to make 3 kits, traxxas spent 4 years, and gave the world a horrible motor. And that sticky roto button...Id throw it away just for that reason alone. And that backplate, thats nonsense. They could have done better. Whats with the empty fuel tank? HPI should fill that thing before it ships! The batteries need to be charged too.

New SAVAGE SS ALREADY RUNNING KIT!!!
Now comes with fuel in the tank
A running motor (tuned even)
Everythings loc-tite'd
Radio trim is all set

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Sorry...I had to...

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:08:57 AM   
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WELL I was all fuzzy inside about ordering one and I almost have the wife talked into approving the purchase of the Savage 25. I noticed Sunday night that ALOT of problems being posted. AIR LEAKS? BACK PLATES! I haven't given up hope I just might wait a little bit longer and see If these problems are resolved BEFORE I jump into a Savage 25.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:16:02 AM   
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Dont get confused Bozo. The airleak is the backplate problem. Its right on the HPI website, they are using red loctite on the kits now. And the complaint about the sticky roto button is retarded. With that said, the kit has many upgrades. I believe they identify the kits that have been loctit'd with a red X on the back of the box. Check it out on HPI's site sometime. Either way. Even if you got the kit that wasnt loctit'd already, its an easy fix.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:22:40 AM   
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This would be my first HOBBY GRADE RC Car I do not want to mess with fixxing anything! I realize about the Backplate problems and I can only Assume that If I order the RTR that it will be fixxed!

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:34:17 AM   
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well all i have to say is i got a 25 and after a few days of hell fine tuning the engine she rips now man i run steady 265 on my temp and she rips no complaints other then it was hell getting her tuned in right and the backplate issue sucked too but i am happy now hoep i didn't jinx myself

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:45:53 AM   
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As always when something comes its always good to let others get it first and see what it defects are. I have Savage .21 thats seen better days and thaught I'd get a .25, but after seeing its got this many problems I decided to keep the .21 and spend about $400 on it. I think I made a wise chose. Its now bigger, faster, tougher than ever thanks to the upgrades.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 12:55:58 AM   
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IMO, my first nitro was a kit, and I feel that if you can not fix a broken truck, then you should not drive the truck, and a kit gives you the experiance to do that. Not every company is perfect, and I am sure that HPI does not make the enginge, and if you check out the hpi site, they do make mention that the backplate issue is getting taken care of at the shop. The roto start issue is annoying. I think that it is good practice to make sure that everything is bolted down tight anyway, before you start the motor for every run. Remember all of this is just my opinion...So if you flame me be nice about it.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:15:48 AM   
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FLAME? WHO NEEDS TO FLAME? I SAID THAT I DID NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH IT! THE TRUCK HAS BEEN OUT FOR OVER A MONTH NOW YOU WHOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FIXED MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS BY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to enjoy my new Hobby if I can find something worth spending my money on!

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:15:56 AM   
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I dont mean to be rude but come on now its a small problem that can be fixed and if you read these sites and buy one then dont check it then its all on you. The truck is practically brand new and its not going to be perfect right away. I mean I could see a big fuss if it was a huge problem but its not a huge problem especially if you check HPI site and other sites then you know to fix it. Not every truck is going to come out of the box perfect and if you expect that then you really should find a different hobby. Just my .02

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:20:32 AM   
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Your right it is a small problem for HPI! If people read all of these problems that they are having know one is going to want to buy there stuff.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:21:33 AM   
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OHHH I forgot to give you my 2 cent also!

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:23:10 AM   
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They are fixing the problems right away, I mean HPI is a great company and they are fixing the problems so I have no idea why people make it such a big deal and they will continue selling the .25 because its still a great truck.

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RE: Any OTHER Savage Defects? - 10/21/2003 1:42:35 AM   
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traxxas isnt to much of a listener either. There 2.5 should be considered a defective engine.... but they're not listening are they? the hpi has listened to savage owners and made a kit version and a better engine for the rtr as well as some other problems. Even before the ss and 25 there were many thing hpi did to make us happy. Like bigger and thicker upgrights, thicker dogbones and a slightly bigger airfilter. What has traxxas done after they made the tmaxx 2.5 to make us happy?


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