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turbine scale heli - 10/30/2003 11:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm in the market for a scale turbine heli. I like the Dauphin from vario I have been quoted for this model built with all the extras ready to run (except Radio) $10,000. Does this sound like a good price? Does anyone know what other brand and model I can also get quoted on?
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RE: turbine scale heli - 11/1/2003 10:31:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		j1940us there are a few scale heli's available at this time that are geared for turbine power. i will list them for you.

1/4 scale jet ranger - Vario (available end of year)
1/4.5 scale Hughes 500e - Vario
1/7 scale Tow Cobra - Vario
1/6 EC135 - Vario
1/4 Bell 212 Airstar Int./ Vario USA
NH90 - Graupner
Sikorsky S76 - Scalejet
MIL Hind24D -Scalejet
1/6 Scale Tow Cobra - Len Mount
1/5.6 Scale Bell 205 Huey - Len Mount
1/7 scale Dauphin N4 - Len Mount
1/8 BlackHawk - ScaleHeli.de
1/8.6 Super Puma - ScaleHeli.de
1/8 SeaHawk - ScaleHeli.de



Vario USA
Len Mount
Scalejet Helicopters
V-East / Graupner
ScaleHeli



And if you are looking for some really big turbine helis there are some in the 3 meter rotor size.

Scale-Heli.at

There will be some new stuff coming out from vario early next year that is designed for there XLV turbine mechanics, No one will say what that is yet! My best guess is that they will have a Airwolf, Bell 230, and maybe a EC120. this is just my guess.....


and i would have to say that 10,000 is a bit high for a finished Vario Dauphin turbine powered.

The HP5 sells for - 3895.00
the dauphin fuse - 470.00
misc parts for Dauphin - 1500.00 (tail, head, blades, retracts, scale parts, etc...)
total for parts - 5,900.00
build and paint 4,000.00 to build and paint the heli

total 10,000.00

you will be spending 6 to 7,000.00 for a scale turbine heli which will included all radio gear.


Alan...

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RE: turbine scale heli - 11/26/2003 2:59:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alan Thank you for the info on the models and the manufacture's websites.
What do you think of the JetCat mechanics is the belt reliable? What do you think of the Jakadofsky?

this is exactly what I was quoted :
Vario Dauphin2 AS 365
Dauphin2 AS 365 turbine exhaust
Vario 4-blade Head for HRW 12mm
Jet cat HP5
Fenestron tail drive system
Fenestron complete for EC 1340
GRP 4-blade set 1680mm
Retractable landing gear
Servos, Gyro, RX
Every accessory available, serch light, rescue lowering kit, etc.
Build, and Paint
For $10,510

Do you think this is very high? If so please let me what you suggest.

Regards,

Alex

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RE: turbine scale heli - 11/27/2003 7:50:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Alex i did some calculations and came up with a 6,500 price. and i may be off by 200.00 to 300.00. If 4,000.00 is a average build fee then i guess the quoted price is OK. but for me 4 k to build a scale heli is to high.

I can not comment on the Jakadofsky unit but i do like the HP5 and i have not had an issue with the belt drive. i have logged 10 hrs and no signs of wear so far.

The Vario dauphine is a nice heli but i don't think the HP5 will fit and i have concerns on the exhaust pipe, i don't think the pipe will fit and or it will not be scale. you may want to look at the dauphine from Len Mount as this one is designed for turbines.


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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/7/2003 4:38:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, I am building the Len Mount Cobra with the Jakadofsky PJ-W-R Turbine ..... I would be more than happy to answere any questions you may have .... As far as Price well .. The Cobra with Mechanics (You Left that out of your Quote above as well as Exhaust) Turbine without Radio is about $9800 ... it's hard to put a price on building but .... I have done a few Vario Dauphins for about $2500 Labor Only .... Mind you they were SuperScale .... Sport Scale is about $500 less .... With the Dauphin the Problem or HIGH Cost will be the Exhaust! Looking at $1200 ... Have a look at www.tamjets.com He makes real nice exhaust systems for the Turbines ...

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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/7/2003 10:01:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would personally buy the Vario Jetcopter..... IT IS ONLY $5,300.00 with everything! Heli kit/Jetcat HP5 turbine/ECU/mechanics. Also- do yourself a favor and build it yourself, you'll then know how to fix it and maintenance it should you need to in the future, which, of course you will need to! Also Vario does have a set up option thats about $200.00!!!!!......Whomever is charging 4 GRAND for building/painting a turbine heli, even with paint on a scale fuselage is smoking crack, and huffing glue......4K is UNBELIEVEABLE for a build and paint. Thats practically the price of a ENTIRE second VARIO JETCOPTER. Think about that for a second. But I suppose if your time is worth more to you than the 4 grand your paying someone to build it for you, then go for it! I understand for some people building themselfs just isnt a option, I just think 4K is about 2.5K too much. $1,500.00 for a complete build/paint sounds much more reasonable to me....(1K to build, and $500.00 for paint) I do autobody/paint for a living, so I think I got the paint part pegged pretty well, and that would include muti color paint and or graphics too, PLUS using polyurethane automotive paints/clear coat.

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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/7/2003 11:14:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Todd...you have to understand that building a scale helicopter to Sport Scale status Plus, getting the Mechanics in and prepped. then Painted takes a couple Hundred Hours ..... My Question is ...... What is your Time worth Per Hour? Not Picking a Fight or anything like that ... just trying to make people aware that it is better to build yourself but, if you plan on someone else building be prepaired to PAY the Price ..... Just checked on a Quart of PPG RED ..... $226 !! Without Catylist or reducers!! I won't paint for less than $500 for a Single Color on a LARGE Model .. the Price does go down for the Small helo's though ... Sport scale is cheaper yet ... When you have to match paint FINISH (Flat, matte or whatever) along with Rivet detail it runs into Time and Money! Scale helicopters or anything else for that matter is in the Detail work .. the more Detail, The More Money ...


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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/8/2003 2:31:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The going price currently for a "panel" to be painted (not the marked up insurance quote crap either) I.E. fender, hood, roof, rear decklid, etc. is $250.00. I know this number from working in metro Denver Colorado doing collision repair for local autobody shops, over the past 7 years. Thats paint/materials, and labor, prep, etc. If your a good painter, even the biggest model helicopter I have seen isnt going to use more paint than a "panel". If your talking about building a scale helicopter to the absolute best world standard to win a prize, then thats something completely different. I can tell you I dont pay anywhere near $227.00 for a quart or PPG red, I get bulk wholesale discounts on my paints. Even if I two tone painted a HUGE scale heli body for $500.00, I might have 150.00 in paint, and probably less than 10 hours prep time, assuming the body is molded well. I think thats plenty of profit, for me. But then again, I am not doing it for a living.

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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/9/2003 5:13:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		All i can say is that 1,500 for a set of frames, rails, two gears, bearing blocks and a main shaft is crazy..... for 1,500 he should included the head and tail for that price.



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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/9/2003 3:51:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turbine Helicopters are NOT for everyone .... They are Costly and Mechanic sets for this application are experimental and expensive as well ... Bottom line is Quality Costs. A top of the Line Gasser will do most a Great job ...


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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/10/2003 9:18:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		This reply is form someone who has never built a helo. But my resume includes: Propmaster in Holywood building scale f-18's for Independance Day, varios ships for the Star Trek series ETC. I did a Rothmans replica RC-51 GP bike and I was into it about $320 for 5 different colors. Half quarts were only $40. And that was Sikkens paint (german factory paint)! Put rothmans RC51 in a google search and you will see the bike next to my old Lear60). I will start a 1:25 scale Concorde for my personal collection next month and it will take me about 2 weeks to do all the paint and details including fabrication of the gear. How much is my time worth? I fly a Gulfstream GIV-SP and get $1,100 a day + expenses. I spent many nights building and painting my old roomates large scale RC Jets and Helos because I enjoed the artistic freedom. He would always come back from the field with positive comments from people who saw my work. That was payment enough. 5K to build a helo...tell them to go pack sand. Get someone local to help you out and get the experience. It will be a much rewarding experince.

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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/18/2003 2:51:38 PM   
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RE: turbine scale heli - 12/22/2003 8:27:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your right DR. TIM! My 2 year technical degree in autobody/paint and collision repair, AND 8 years in the auto/paint field only allows me to repair $40,000.00 BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, and other high end european autos....... But as for those really nice PLASTIC SCALE RC HELICOPTERS bodys which cost $1,000.00 I havent a CLUE......W.T.F. was I thinking even writting my thoughts on such a topic anyways? I can make a $40K sports car thats been DESTROYED look brand new again, but I have NO business even THINKING my skills are up to the MONUMENTAL task of simply spraying a scale PLASTIC/FIBERGLASS body, to "scale" standards. I guess I better stick to what I know how to do, and not comment on topics/tasks which are way beyond my abilities.......Funny how I have the top 5 insurance companies in the USA lined up at my front business door with more repairs than I could possibly do, and waiting in line for a month or LONGER just to use my body shop! Guess I got them all fooled, too.