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3d-aholic -> Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 12:47:37 AM)
Where do you guys buy your MeOH to make you own fuel? I'd like to thin some 15%/18% down to 5%/20%. I got the caster bean but I'm not sure where to get the Methanol... Burdick and Jackson?

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 12:56:56 AM)
Ok, it gets worse...its a resticted product. I figured as much since it is the basic component of a lot of chemistry. You must be buying it in some form where its use is disguised. What purity are you folks using 95%?

w8ye -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 2:51:55 AM)
Why not just buy some 5% to dilute your high nitro fuel? Enjoy, Jim

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 2:57:20 AM)
Well just buying some 5% is a possibility but I thought all these homebrew folks had some kind of secret Methanol connection...[:D]

Sport_Pilot -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 3:21:34 AM)
Check out VP Racing Fuel. I don't know the web address but just doing a search with that name and I am sure it would come up. Cost should be about 2.50 to 3.00 per gallon.

wldcwbypilot -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 9:10:37 PM)
Methanol is actually, CH3OH, ethanol is C2H5OH, sorry I did not use subscripts. If your talking about Nitromethane thats a different horse, thats racing fuel and its not cheap. Straight wood grain alcohol which is methanol is not expensive, should be able to get it at a good hardware store or an old fashioned drug store.

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 9:19:15 PM)
Methanol is actually, CH3OH, Yes, Me is short for the Methyl group which is CH(3). I'm a chemist. I'm really relunctant on the quality of the Methyl Alcohol they sell as paint/lacquer thinner. That stuff has to be 10% water. I got a hold of VMR and spec'd out some anhydrous methanol (no water) but they wouldn't see it to me cause its a hazardous material. Bizarre, you can't buy a liter of methanol from the chemical distributor but you can buy as much as you want down at the hardware store (with less quality)

wldcwbypilot -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 9:27:48 PM)
I am a bio_chemist, nice to meet ya!!!

JWN -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (10/31/2003 9:29:08 PM)
Call around to some shops that specialize in auto racing (aka Speed Shops). They should be able to sell you any amount you like. AFAIK, methanol is not a restricted product. I don't know what Kalifornika has done in the past couple of years, but a friend of mine used to buy 20 gallons of methanol at a time from a speed shop in Sacramento. John

flipa10 -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/1/2003 3:11:12 AM)
I buy my methanol from the local speed shop. They sell nitro too, although I use none.

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/1/2003 3:39:19 AM)
Kalifornika [:D] [sm=thumbup.gif]

Jim Thomerson -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/1/2003 3:41:05 PM)
Does anyone know, or have an informed speculation about, the grade of methanol used in manufacturing glow fuel? Real question is what percent water do we have in fuel to start with. I would guess it's some grade that costs about 50 cents a gallon in tank car loads. JIm

bentgear -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/1/2003 5:00:33 PM)
Jim, if you believe the manufacturers hype then they go to great lengths to only use methanol with 0 percent water and spend great amounts of money on facilities to keep any moisture from entering their systems. I know some of the shippers of methanol have tight requirements on the tank trailers before they will load them and will run analysis of the product after loading. Ed M.

Jim Thomerson -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/1/2003 7:16:04 PM)
Just checked a racing fuel website. If you place a monthly order for their 99.95% pure methanol, it is $41.56 for a 5 gallon container. This includes $20 hazmat. This does not include shipping charges. You can order as many 5 gallon containers as you want. A dealer friend got me some fuel, 10% nitro, 20% oil, half castor/half synthetic, for $10.95 a gallon. That suggests to me that the fuel manufacturer (a major one) is not paying anywhere near that much for methanol. Jim

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/3/2003 3:59:18 PM)
Yes, I saw that -- Sunoco. But 1 pt to 1 gallon... I'm going to have to go find a speed shop.

Sport_Pilot -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/3/2003 4:46:04 PM)
The VP site lists the distrubitors. Call the distrubitors and they can tell you who they sell to in your area.

murphyj -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/4/2003 1:14:54 AM)
We were playing around with some different blends for my Rossi. Methyl hydrate works quite well and it available at any auto parts store. It comes in large quantities as well. Its a very common material used by truckers operating in cold weather climates (used in the air lines). Castor oil mixes very will with the fuel and the rossi winds right out. Murphy

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/4/2003 1:23:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: murphyj Methyl hydrate works quite well.... Methyl Hydrate is Methanol.... Methyl Alcohol...same stuff ????

CurtD -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (11/6/2003 6:33:05 PM)
Hey, this is fun! CH3OH = MeOH = Methyl Hydrate = Methyl Alcohol = Methanol. Reminds me of my college Organic Chemistry days, dern near all which I have probably forgotten...

seanreit -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (12/3/2003 9:25:28 PM)
Some people buy methanol at companies that sell propane. More specifically, companies that sell large tanks that store liquid propane. These tanks when they are installed have to be filled roughly 10 percent with methanol to help get the water out of the tank before it's purged and filled with liquid propane. I've bought methanol from these companies for $1.00 a gallon within the past year. The guy I used had 55 gallon drums of it and would fill whatever I needed.

3d-aholic -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (12/3/2003 9:59:43 PM)
Aren't you essentially buying "water" saturated methanol? Plus there are impurities in the propane as well that are likely to remain dissolved in the MeOh over the propane in the gaseous state. You are buying the bottom of the barrel methanol...thats why its so cheap.

seanreit -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (12/3/2003 10:02:50 PM)
I guess I should have clarified. I meant to explain why they had methanol and how they used it. I didn't mean you're buying used methanol. Sorry about that.

LearjetMech -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (12/4/2003 1:46:50 AM)
You could try some aviation supply companies. We use Methanol in our aircraft for windsheild de-icing. Fill a tank and when needed the tank is pressurized using bleed air to spray the radome and pilot windshield. We get ours from a local supplier. Falconcrest aviation I believe. Dont know the content in terms of water, but I imagine it is low, being it gets pretty cold at altitude (-60*). Hope this helps. By the way they are one gallon cans too!

doctorgo -> RE: Buying Methanol: Where? (12/11/2003 2:08:11 AM)
To Toomuchthrow, Just to get back on track, Thin your hi-nitro fuel with FAI fuel, often available by the case for $7.99 per gallon when your local hobby retailer is running a club special in the spring. Regards, DrGO

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