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DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 3:02 PM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 4:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		IanB, don't be shy, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel about 3W?

BTW, you guys still flying in Crawfordsville, or wrapping it up?

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 4:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		So IanB:
Do you have any idea what was wrong with the 3W?
Did the distributor fix it under warranty in a timely manner?

I have heard quite often that DA service is hard to beat. Their turnaround time on repairs is rapid. But, I just bought a used 3W-106 because I was seduced by the claims of big power.

On the Carden 35%, I'm positive either engine would have ballistic power. A buddy had a 34 lb Carden Cap with a DA-100 - unlimited vertical.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 6:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you search rcu you fill find endless tails of problems with 3w .......many people also complain about the service...........my little anecdote above is kind of a summation of all the hours of research I spent on the 3w as I was even interested in the 106 despite having lost two aeroplanes to a 3w 60 in the past.

Every generalization is false as there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule but...........these are my findings through research and my personal experience.

Look at how many used 3w's you see for sale compared to DA............another reason I went with DA is I KNOW I can turn the thing back into cash at the drop of a hat.......you cant say that with 3w.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 7:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, enough manufacturer bashing. I thought of giving the DA a chance, but going to stick with the 106. I have had 2 that have ran flawlessly, and there are 4 others at our club, not one single problem with any of them. Close thread, enough da vs 3w already.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 9:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		My brother flys 35%-40% And he has never had a problem w/ either 1 of his 2 DA's. He has a 35% Carden edge with DA100 on it, and it runs perfect. He has a 3w 150 on a 40% 330. And the ingination has went bad atleast 3 times this year.


If it was my money, I would buy DA.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You really do not NEED to see video.....You really do not NEED anyone's opinions one either of these engines.....

You already know that these are both good engines and that the real decisions are.......
1)which one do YOU like
2)which one weighs less
3)which one costs less

Based one what YOUR feelings are on these 3 questions, you can figure it out.

Not trying to be a smartACE, but you know as well as all of us that this issue has killed at least 2 horses. I can tell you that nearly all of the 35% Cardens that I have built ended up with DAs on them, but when I go to shows it is nearly a 50/50 split......there are a few shows where it is almost all of one and none of the other, either way. Simply put, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH EITHER ONE

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/5/2003 11:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats why I got the QS 106, I just like the little bit of extra power, and my QS 150 runs like a charm, maybe one day I will try a DA

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 12:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		which one costs less is not the answer to not having problems. Im just saying in general, not anything to do with this thread. I have seen every DA run perfect, and nearly all 3w's do not.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 1:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just curious, where are you people getting these 3Ws that "wont run period"? Everyone that flys them here at our club, and another near by club has nothing but praise for them? I know the older 3Ws with the wood carb block had some problems, but all the new ones I have seen run flawlessly, have the best power and transition of any 100cc size motor. There are 2 DAs at our club, and both of them have dead sticked at least once for no apparent reason, so it goes both ways that some motors no matter what brand will have problems. As with most problems in this hobby, it seem the majority of the problems with motors, radios, everything, is "operator error"

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 3:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		You hit the nail on the head brother. I LOVE MY 3W106

every da runs perfect and nearly all 3w's do not-


That comment was very personal......DELETED IT

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 4:18 AM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 4:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		An IMAC buddy had two 106s that crapped out (one started grinding itself up, one had an uncontained failure) - a lot of us at an event were trying to get one of them to run right but we couldn't get it just right for some reason. Bobby told him the second one was improperly mounted, when it was mounted the same as all the other engines that guys are running in IMAC (including those running 3Ws). He gave up on his 106s, bought DA-100s, and is swinging the same prop and according to him, getting the same performance.

Ask Otter about his two 3W's. I believe he got both of his from Bobby, but not 100% positive. He's now flying DA.

There was also the one that crapped out in a Carden Edge during a low harrier after flying most of the summer and running very well. Not sure what he did with the engine afterward as far as selling or keeping it.

FormerCA, John isn't full of it, I've been exposed to something like 7 3W's on a regular basis this past summer, and above is what happened to five of them. I was running a GT-80 last summer, so I wasn't particularly critical of either manufacturer until I watched these things happen. Now, DAs aren't 100% perfect but you can bet that if you have one that isn't running right, that DA will take care of you and not send your engine back until it is running properly. Based on what I've seen, you may not get that from Bobby. That peace of mind is what prompted me to do business with DA. If you are happy with 3W then keep using them but neither JohnVH nor I are lying to you about what we've seen.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 7:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only person who should care whether it is a DA or 3W is the guy who bought and has to fly it.

I just bought a DA 100 for a 35% Wildhare for one reason. I crashed my Cap that had a DA50 on and I went to Tucson, a 1 hour drive and delivered the 50 to get checked out. The 1st thing they asked is when do I need it back. They said it could be ready and shipped back in 3 days, or would I prefer to wait as they made some modifications to the 50 and they would retrofit my 50 with the new mods. All I have to say is that I'm sure Dave has plenty of parts and pieces to the 50 that are now obsolete or soon to be but they wanted me to have the mods done. How many companies would do that. 1 day later I purchased the 100 from them and they will be shipping it with my 50. By the way Dave took about a 1/2 hour out of his busy schedule just to sit there and talk with me, not about engines but about planes. 1st rate people.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 4:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Razor-yes I did and it is awesome. We all may come over to sharks and fly them with tom, and you guys. I put on that wooden 3w 28-10 prop, and it sounds like it's about to shred it.

3W only sends the "good running ones" down here to Louisiana

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/6/2003 11:07 PM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/7/2003 3:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		YEP, I flew mine 3 times today, cranked on the 3rd flip every time and ran great, every time.

I went with the 2721 jr's, Pretty much copied everything that Tom has put in his SU31, you gearing up a Carden? I'd like to check that out.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/7/2003 3:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, a 35% edge. My 40% carden cap is almost ready too. 3w QS 150 for power in it. Whats next after the sukhoi? Dont know how much more rc I will do this year, probably will spend the most of my free time flying the full size edge before it gets too cold.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/7/2003 3:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, funny you should ask-I've been surfing the Carden website a little

That big Edge with a 3W150qs is starting to grow on me. Seems like those kits go together pretty well and fly great from all i've heard.

Give us a shout when you fly yours-i'd like to see how it does.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/21/2003 8:20 PM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/22/2003 5:38 AM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 11/22/2003 11:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that I fiddled with my 3W75 for a year and a half before it ran well. Some of the members of my old flight group bought 3W and they are having the same problem. Yes my DA ran great out of the box and was strong, and getting stronger. But I would love to have a answer of of why we were having all the 3W problems. They run great, eventually.

I would also like to say that I was fortune enough to have a lot of 3W people around to help tune the engine They where great help!!!

But I have had not needed any of the help with the DA? The last conversation with Dave was to order the engine and find out what prop I would need for the type of flying that I do...

I'm not bashing, just a consumer voicing my experiance.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 2/5/2004 7:32 PM   
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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 2/5/2004 8:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The DA flies better right out of the box because it is as loose as a goose. Why to people refer to the great service? Because they blow seals and bearings. When you get the 3W dialed in and broke in it is a strong machine and will run for hundreds of gallons.

The DA has poor response on the low end. If you watch the people that fly them you will see that they constantly run short bursts of power to them to maintain a hover. THe 3W will just sit there and pull out like a rocket.

Both are great motors but they both have strengths and weaknesses. Personally I can't stand the sound the DA makes when at idle in 3D flight. It sounds like it is going to quit. It just unnerves me. If you get use to it it isn't an issue.

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RE: DA 100 or 3W 106 for Carden 35% Edge - 2/6/2004 7:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I second that. I have 28lb WH 330 w/ 106,awsome motor after 3 or 4 gallons, accelerated pull out of hover. Just a little rough during the break in like most of the rc engines in the industry. Swings a 28/10 menz nearly supersonic!, and yes i to have had to kneel before the 3w gods in the past and learn a few lessons the hard way.

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