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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/10/2003 4:23:47 PM

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Gator8, by front and rear end, I mean the suspension assemblies, not diffs. Everybody knows they are worthless. I listed putting in 1/8 scale diffs. As for the dominator, on a smooth track, I agree, the suspensions are not needed. That is why the Mugen XR hybrids are doing so well. BUT, on any tracks where the suspension is actually used, the suspensions cannot be dismissed. I have seen numerous pirates and dominators run, and they just bounce, they don't actually drive through the rough stuff. The only guy that did any good with one, was one of our local 1/8 pro class drivers, and even he couldn't get the suspension to react to the track so it actually soaked up the bumps. The Maxx suspensions are far more forgiving than the limited short travel dominator suspension, and thus easier for people to drive. I don't think that is too far off base, but again, it's my opinion, and maxx haters won't agree with any of it, just because.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/10/2003 9:33:46 PM

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Here's a short post that isn't hard to read-

ANYONE that spends more than $500 on their toy truck is an IDIOT.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/10/2003 10:32:36 PM

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Hi renegadeRC, sorry if I missunderstood you BUT!, if you were refering to "stock suspension assemblies", again, using "stock suspension assemblys" to save money on a JT havoc hybird is a waste of time and defeats the purpose of building a "race" quality kit, again they are worthless as the stock diffs are as far as strength goes..

On the topic of "suspensions", how much worse do you think a DOM suspension is considering both the T maxx and DOM use the SAME length shocks??? (front and rear), which by the way, Dominator shocks would be a HUGE upgrade on the t maxx kit, fact is the stock suspension on a DOM is just as good if not better than the t maxx suspension. The t maxx uses (pivot balls) on its ends which is NOT! proven to be better/stronger than ANY hinge pin/c hub design. One place any (pivot ball suspension) has more problems with is, its suspension (TORQUE TWIST). The t maxxes pivot ball ends can cause as much as DOUBLE! the suspension twist as conventional hinge pin/C hub designs and this is a FACT!. In my opinon It is NOT the best design for a offroad suspension. From what I understand "pivot ball suspension technoglogy" came from the onroad racing car world to make for quicker ajustments, not because it is superiour to others.

BTW, in one of your other posts you mention (MRC/Tamiya) as not having good suspensions as others because there are no pro-line suspension kits for them. How I see it is the Tamiyas TC suspension is BETTER than the t maxx suspension BECAUSE... it does NOT use a "pivot ball" end suspension, so it is NOT subject to the same suspension (torque twist) which can help cause suspension parts breakage.

As far as MRC and the NTK goes, I would suggest to you that the factory stock suspension on the MRC ntk is far beyond what the stock suspension is in a t maxx and was designed for racing right from the start. In other words... it does NOT! need to be upgraded with a pos expensive pro-line kit and the STOCK MRC ntk suspension can deal with ALOT MORE ABUSE than that of the t maxx. Look for your self, this vid clip was a new STOCK $350.00 rtr MRC ntk that we were breaking it's engine in working it's suspension AND this particular kit also has the extra heavy weight of a onboard 7.2 sub C 6 cell battery pack onboard it to. http://www.nitroextreme.com/cars_trucks/nitroextremepark/movies/jump_two.mov

OOPS! lol

double post

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/10/2003 10:38:03 PM

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I heard you the first time...

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 1:08:50 AM

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gigy, which parts? EVERYTHING mentioned was fact. not one was an opinion.

i am out, this is stupid, people do not know what they are saying and just pulling **** out of the air just to say it.

t maxx owners just walk away!
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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 4:38:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bubbafien
t maxx owners just walk away!
bubbafien

Thats just so funny to me lol

, don't you mean (swim away), maybe the new t maxxes should come with snorkels LOL

J/K

T MAXX LOYALISTS GOING DOWN WITH THE SHIP!!! j/k

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 8:05:32 AM

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The whole point of gator's first post, is to tell people something, not to offend or argue. If you confident of what your maxx is capable of, there is no need to come up here to argue. I think he made a great point too.
I don't own a maxx or savage, just a dom.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 8:39:52 AM

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I purchased my T-maxx in the summer of 2000.
It has got so many gallons run through it I've lost count. Over 15 I'm sure.
True it is on engine number 3, now sporting a Traxxas 2.5. (Great motor for it).

Sure I've had to replace parts for one reason or another.
$1000 over the years including a O.S. engine, fuel and glow plugs at $3+ a pop. Sure.
That is expensive in hindsight, I suppose.

Yet I feel I have gotten more than my moneys worth.
"MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK", Guess I was lucky and didn't fall for the upgrade you are trying to warn us all against.

gator8 "15+ years and owning many/most r/c products at one time or another".
And you don't understand the appeal of the T-maxx and upgrade ability!
Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you. That is ok, we understand. You've explained it to us.

I also own other trucks and buggies and my on-roads.
Sure my T-maxx isn't the fastest. (my fusion is ;-) .

Am I a "T-MAXX LOYALISTS".
Well I own one and I am happy with it. Very happy.
Will I defend my ownership of it. Obviously. But not for the sake of Traxxas or T-maxx, they hold their own in sales and popularity.
I defended it for fun. Same reason I bought it.
You (gator8) perceivably attack the T-maxx and all it represents for the attention, because your opinions sure are self-evidently stupid.
Hope you are enjoying this, this is the attention you are begging for. (Hey look at him, he's got an opinion he know is controversial).

And to trash talk the hybrid builder is more evidence of your stupidity.
This is a hobby, its all about hop-ups, hybrids and creativity.

Question was, You don't own a Super-maxx do you:
"I could buy/build a SM toy truck any time I want, I choose NOT TO!"
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. But, you think you do, and that makes it ok.
You "choose" not to. And you can't stand it when others choose different.

So, somebody wants to put a .21 on a truck designed around a .15. Let them its their choice!
So they want wider, taller, shorter, faster. Let them its their choice.

gator8. YOU WIN!! You convinced me..
You are the Poster child for anti upgrades.
gator8, The RTR boy with NO OPTIONS. Cramming his idea of what is good for you down your throat!
"I am saving them from themselves" they will all want to upgrade, the fools!
"You'll get sucked into buying crap." Follow me, your poster boy for outta the box no options!

Myself.. I want Options, Upgrades, Improvement parts, Hybrids, I want this hobby to grow and if Traxxas rules the 1/10th RTR's
for another year that is fine with me. I want more startup companies making more parts for all those content T-maxx runners.

Pick a side gator8, your ship is sinking.
"I like the new t-maxx and I think it is a good beginners entry level truck for some one that is just getting into the hobby and the fact is traxxas deserves credit because the maxx has brought many new people into this hobby and has helped make more interest for more M/T trucks. (kudos to you traxxas, you deserve it)"

If you are going to advise an "entry level" person towards the T-maxx. You'd better be prepared to back that when they want more out of it but don't want to buy another $800 toy. Maybe you could buy it back and re-advise them to the next level.

jerk.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 9:11:16 AM

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You still don`t get it do you ! The one main point that you choose to overlook is that when people want to run thier t-max hard they MUST buy upgrades, because it will continually break....its not a "choice" it IS a "Requirement".

BS this and BS that ! fine ! But facts are facts, and the T-Max requires the up-grades to reach the level of durability avaliable in other trucks straight off the shelf.

As for the SM stuff, more than 50% of people who end up buying SM CVD`s, diffs, tranny gears and even chassis and suspension parts do so because they MUST !... people defending the T-Max have already made that point for me with statements like "why buy 3 sets of MIP CVD`s when you can buy one set of SM ones that will last" !!!

If people had the choice of upgrading thier T-max to the nth degree OR not upgrading and just running the truck nobody here would be arguing squat ! BUT(in most cases, for most people..and EVERYONE who bashes/races hard) YOU DON`t HAVE A CHOICE.

However much you don`t like the points made by gator8, they are true and its pertenmant information often asked and requested by new members, they WILL be gratefull for hearing it and thus becoming better informed about the choices avaliable to them. Not everyone has an unlimited budget when it comes to this hobby...most are young and or only just able to afford R/C`n to begin with, I think its far more of a "bad thing" for peope to blindly encourage a product, full well knowing its "issues" but choose to still promote it because money will fix anything...with the aftermarket avaliablilty blah blah blah

Hop-ups, hybrids and upgradability are fine, people are entitled to spend however much they wish on thier trucks, what ever they may be, but the people sitting thier working on thier T-Max and wondering how they are going to pay for the broken parts.... wondering what "hop-up" may prevent this problem in the future, and being disappointed about not being able to play with thier toys would like to say **** you !

TM

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 12:06:16 PM

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Hi Threatend,

I really don't know how to post back to your screwed up rant/spew post, but I will try... HOLY COW! you want to talk about jerks, you should look in the mirror lol. I hope you did not give yourself a stroke posting your VERY informative packed post lol. I am very happy for you that you are happy and feel that you got your moneys worth, it will make me sleep better at night knowing you are happy lol.

Let me try to explain it again... JUST FOR YOU... I DON"T CARE! LOL ...how, when, where, why, up, down, bla, bla, bla you or anyone else spends there money. SO maybe you should STOP trying to TWIST this thread into your own screwed up little fantasy in your head. Your post comes off like your a ranting lunatic yourself. Take some prozac. Anyway, what is it that I don't know?, besides you telling me I don't know what I know???lol.

I think you are lost in your own mind, the point of this thread is to make people think about... (bang for the buck) and (value for your money), now if you are happy, great! BUT!, you are not the only person with this toy, are you?, so just maybe there might be other people that don't see it your way, what do you think?, do you think it is possible? Do you think that I am the only one on the planet that has things to say about this product in a public disscusion forum? lol.

YES Threatend, 15+ years and I have never wanted to own ONE(1) R/C TOY that would cost me more than a grand each, because I like to have LOTS of toys lol (because I can run more than one at a time with my family) lol. But in your book I need to spend the money to own a SM so I will know what I am talking about right?. To me this is like saying, "how would you know what it feels like to be DEAD, have you ever been DEAD?". Are you sure your not the poster child for expensive R/C paper weights lol. You seem to be so upset about my posts that some one would think you work for Unlimited Enginering, especaily just to log on to confront me lol.

As far as showing stupidity and trash talking, your post far surpasses anything I could have typed, and for a person like your self to tell me not to preach or to push my opinons on to some one, your post comes off to me like your ??? Hitler (T maxx the superiour truck), again please take your own advise, Talking about craming CRAP?, your posts shows your an expert lol.

About the only thing I see eye to eye with you is quote "Myself.. I want Options, Upgrades, Improvement parts, Hybrids, I want this hobby to grow", I agree, I just don't want to feel like I have to spend $2000.$3000.$4000. or $5000. on one bloody toy truck to have a good one and I don't want to buy crap products that are pushed as race products that really are not.

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'Pick a side gator8, your ship is sinking.
"I like the new t-maxx and I think it is a good beginners entry level truck for some one that is just getting into the hobby and the fact is traxxas deserves credit because the maxx has brought many new people into this hobby and has helped make more interest for more M/T trucks. (kudos to you traxxas, you deserve it) you are truly a master of marketing."
Quote "If you are going to advise an "entry level" person towards the T-maxx. You'd better be prepared to back that when they want more out of it but don't want to buy another $800 toy. Maybe you could buy it back and re-advise them to the next level.
jerk." , Sorry, I read this a few times and apparently you hit your head on the poop deck, because I compleatly missed your point. (good drugs? or what?)

Yes, I do understand the appeal and upgrade ability, I stated it did I not! lol, BUT! I find it B.S when a product that was NEVER designed as a RACE product is pushed as one with having to spend a few extra grand to get it there, BUT!, you seemed to of missed the boat on that one. If you had more substance/facts in your post instead of your ranting spewing crap at me, I could address your post better. Maybe next time take your underwear off your head when you post, it may help lol. j/k

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 12:59:52 PM

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Yeah we have to take into consideration that there are also many people in this hobby that do not work/earn money because they are kids, or they have a common sense of mind.
If there are two products with the same price and different levels of durability/reliability (because it's what matters to me), of course i would pick the one thats more durable, so that we do not have to keep spending money......because actually some of us don't have that much money.....

It's just my opinion, may not even worth .02

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 3:46:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bubbafien

gigy, which parts? EVERYTHING mentioned was fact. not one was an opinion.

i am out, this is stupid, people do not know what they are saying and just pulling **** out of the air just to say it.

t maxx owners just walk away!
bubbafien

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do some research buddy.

Seem's like all you have is internet research at the UE site and not real radio time at the track with various r/c's.

quote:

a SM WILL NOT BREAK LIKE A TITAN WILL! lets see some vid. of your truck running and how long it takes you to get it running. hope you have a lot a tape!

Even IF this where the case (which it is not!), a Titan will not rape your bank account like the SM will!

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we do not NEED these products. we WANT our trucks to PERFORM their BEST. that is why we BUY our SM parts.

There are lots of other after market parts suppliers that don't bend you over at the check out! You missed the bus again junior, most expencive isn't alway's better!

quote:

UE products are not simply "RUN OFF" parts like other manufacturers. they are ENGINEERED to PERFORM better than stock and increase STRENGTH and MINIMIZE WEIGHT.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the engineering was done by Traxxas and the parts where made out of another material by UE....THAT'S IT!! They did not invent the design. They tried to improve on what Traxxas had already done!

So bubbafien, it seem's as if your "facts" bear alot more resemblance to opinions and advertisment!

BTW
I think the whole idea of this thread was to let all the people that have been led astray by the "T-maxx fad(craze)" and the "high end hop-up(bling bling) groupies" know that there other great choices that give you more BANG for less BUCK. If you spent your money on a full SM...HOORAY FOR YOU!!!!!! Just don't fool yourself into thinking that it can't be beaten by a truck that someone only spent 5 or 6 hundred bucks on because you will be disapointed.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 10:32:50 PM

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sigh people jus dont understand what you are saying gator8.. mainly the tmaxx lovers but still.

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RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/11/2003 11:06:30 PM

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well now i know how ignorant you all really are.

the sm parts are ENGINEERED to work better, not "just made of a different material"

name a part better than ue. cant can ya?

and yes i have ALOT of track time. including a partial sm.

and my post was facts

bubbafien

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