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    TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 2:44:14 AM   
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    MY THOUGHTS ON THE TRAXXAS T MAXX PRODUCT... Warning long post! and it is not meant to offend anyone with a t maxx, just to give you something to think about.

    I thought I would share some of my opinons on this product on this forum. My opinons are coming from being in this hobby for about 15+ years and owning many/most r/c products at one time or another.


    (copyed from our www.nitroextreme.com club forum)
    "OK guys, the reason I thought I would start this thread because I seen a guy posted on the old maxxtraxx forum about (getting out of the hobby) because he was pissed off about buying his T-maxx and having to spend more and more money on it and it still did not perform as well as other M/T trucks (it was a hot topic) and is located in the lounge thread. I have also spoken too 2 other guys that have the new style maxx and they have told me that quote I am unhappy with the amount of parts I had to change shortly after I bought it, the new engine is breaking more parts). We have also had guys come out to the park with there .21 super maxxes, braging about spending $2.000 to $3.000 dollars or more on there trucks, only to be beaten badly by $500.oo to $600.oo dollar true 8scale trucks. I want to give you guys something to think about. (this is also not a flame) First I would like to say, I like the new t-maxx and I think it is a good beginers entry level truck for some one that is just getting into the hobby and the fact is traxxas deserves credit because the maxx has brought many new people into this hobby and has helped make more interest for more M/T trucks. (kudos to you traxxas, you deserve it) you are truly a master of marketing. OK, now the problem with what has happened to the T-maxx is all the after market stuff has gone nuts with so called upgrades, which many are not, but many newbes that have come into this hobby don't under stand this and get sucked into buying hunderds if not thousands of dollars of extra CRAP! for them, trying to turn it or convert it into something it is not. There are some good upgrades to get for this kit but you have to be carfull not to get sucked in and buy the junk. I have spoken with one of the local HS owners before and he has told me quote: (WE COULD SELL T-MAXXES FOR COST BECAUSE WE MAKE SO MUCH MONEY OFF OF UPGRADED PARTS FOR THEM). Now I want you guys to think about this, what is this telling you about this product? I would also tell you guys a fact, for the money you would spend to build a .21 super maxx with all the needed upgrades for the drive train, you could own 2-3 or more true 8scale trucks that could and would kill a super maxx in performance. The fact is, you could build and spend all the money you like on one but you will NEVER be able to beat a true 8scale pan chassis vehicle with it on a track or in a race. This is not B.S and a fact and we have shown many guys this fact at the club park many times over. Most of our members have always said, if you want a .21 truck just go and buy one, it will be cheaper and better than any .21 maxx. This has been an example of one of the worst t-maxx upgrades you could spend your hard earned money on, as another member has said quote: (why try and turn a chevette into a corvette), why not just go buy the corvette in the first place?. It has always made me laugh when I hear some store employee say (LOOK AT ALL THE UPGRADES YOU CAN BUY FOR THE MAXX), this is a joke, the fact is the after market industry loves inferior products, (it gives them a chance to make more money off it). Has anyone ever thought of why does'nt the kit come with better parts in the first place??? (it's to keep you spending MONEY!!!) I am not telling anyone that may read this not to buy a t-maxx but the fact is there are so many other good cheap kits out there, like the hpi .21 savage truck (designed and built as a .21 truck) for $20.oo dollars more than a maxx or many other .21 8scale trucks that are hundreds of dollars cheaper than a maxx. The fact is the hobby stores that just want to pump and promote the t-maxx ONLY are not doing the consumers any favers, infact in some cases they are hurting the consumers by not showing them other options before they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on this product. This is where I and others have a beef with some stores and employees that only want to push the maxx and try to discourage people from buying other products that are just as good if not better. I know as a consumer myself, I don't want to be sucked into buying stuff just because the store needs to make money off of me. My opinon for guys that own maxxes is, enjoy it for what it is and when you are ready, MOVE ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS".
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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 2:53:14 AM   
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    One other point I would like to make is, I have seen some people say lately "if it was not for the t maxx we would not have other M/T trucks on the market", LOL, as if traxxass invented and made the M/T truck popular, this is B.S, M/T trucks were around long before the t maxx toy came around. Race quality trucks like the USA-1, NTK, Blazer, Mugen were faster, stronger, better at doing things that any t maxx could do. The t maxx toy was made to attract the same people that would of been interested to buy Radio Shack type vehicles, Traxxass just took it one step farther and made a VERY high end version of this concept to attract the masses. The t maxx was never designed to be any type of competion worthy vehicle but more of a back yard fun toy. Now I don't think even Traxxass thought the t maxx would have become so popular and so they have made ALOT! of money off this product and so have many (newbies) that have come into this hobby with there own ideas for hopups, upgrades (in which many are not) and other ways to make money off this product. Now the STUPIDEST thing that has happened to this product is that some how some people have tryed to turn it into a competition "race" type truck which it was NEVER DESIGNED TO BE. Has anyone wondered why Traxxass them selfs has NOT offered a better quality (t maxx) product that does not go through parts like it goes through dirt?, especialy after they have made $$$MILLONS$$$ off this product?, (one is, it's to keep you spending MONEY!), they make large profits from the infearior parts on the kit. After all, It would be easy for them to do. They don't because they would have to redesign the product so much that it would not be a t maxx any more and would probably look like most other pan chassis kits on the market. I see/look at it this way, I think one of the reasons there are so many manufacturers making M/T trucks at this point (besides popularity) is that other manufacturers want to show that they can make a more durable, faster, stronger, better AND! more race worthy products then what the t maxx is and those other companys are proving it by some of the products they have put out.

    One other thing I would like to give t maxx guys to think about is to do with owning ONE expensive r/c toy, or MANY good r/c toys. I have met a few guys with super maxxes out at our club park and they were braging to me and others about how much money they spent on building there SM's. The average costs I heard that guys were spending seemed to be around $3000.00 canadian for I assume a tricked out SM. SO I took $3000.00 dollars to my local hobby store, (Hobby Guys) and wanted to see what I could buy and this is what i bought.



    rtr Savage $600.00

    rtr Dominator $650.00

    rtr Xfactor $500.00

    rtr Titan delux $750.00

    I also got a extra hyper.21 engine and a few magizines, with all taxes, TOTAL I spent was $2889.00!!!!! which leaves me with $111.00 for fuel plugs and extras.

    STILL LESS THAN most guys spend on one SM traxxas t maxx. No rocket science needed here to figure out whats a better deal LOL!!! THANX HOBBY GUYS!!! for the great prices and service!!!.

    I have seen a few guys say "but I like to uprade and modify my R/C truck", My point is this, if you want to fix something your self and be proud of it thats great, BUT!, if it gets to a point that you are spending a few thousand dollars JUST on ONE! silly TOY! truck, You might as well go buy a fullsize vehicle (truck/car) and spend the few thousand on it instead and at least you will be able to drive the fullsize vehicle some where lol, after all it's not easy to pick up chics/women with a $3000.+ R/C t maxx toy lol and I don't think most girls would let you if they new you spent that much on ONE toy truck lol.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 4:00:42 AM   
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    Very well said....its exactly what I`ve been saying in many of my posts in the numerous threads on the subject.....I just didn`t have the time to type and come up with as much as you did !

    I too have bought a buggy and Savage with the money that would have been required to keep my .21 T-Max running....and I kick myself for no realising earlier and being able to have even more cars and trucks to play with !!!!!

    Not to start a flame wars but its an undeniable truth that : You can buy a NIB RTR Savage 25 for LESS than doing the cheapest arse .21 T-Max conversion(that won`t even last a few tanks run hard) !!

    Again well said, great point about the aftyermarket hop-ups etc......everybody should take heed of this info, the T-Max is a sucker machine designed specifically to drain your wallet.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 4:05:43 AM   
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    I agree with TheMachine, wonderful and well said........and the four boxes of MTs that you bought with $3000.....lol makes me drool. Just give me one please...
    If R/C products are not high quality one day people will realise that i believe, and stop buying.......whatever company it is.
    Your post really leaves a lot to ponder for people who smash $3000 into a single truck

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 6:16:29 AM   
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    One other point I would like to make is on (investment), the fact is investing to much money into ANY! R/C... is a LOST CAUSE!, the more money you put into these toys, the more money you will loose in the end. From what I have seen there are LOTS!,... an overload if you will, of t maxx kits / products (this, that and everything) trying to be sold,... that don't seem to be selling as they did before, this will just get worse over time now that there are so many better kits on the market, the people that have spent a small fortune on this r/c TOY t maxx... will NEVER! get there money out of it or anything even close to it. eg; if a guy has $3000.+ in to his t maxx and trys to sell it for half of that price (which is a very reasonable price to ask for any R/C thats not thrashed), at $1500. some one would have to have rocks in there head to pay anywhere close to that for ANY! "done up" t maxx considering what and how many other 8scale kits you could buy on the market right now that are far superiour in durablility and strength in stock form than any t maxx.

    The bottom line I guess is, how much money are you willing to throw away and loose in this hobby because investment wise, it's NOT! a good choice for a hobby. Fact is you should be happy IF! and thats a BIG IF! you can get back half or close to it of what you spent on ANY new R/C toy. Guys that don't realize this usually sit on there r/c stuff for a long time unless they find someone thats special.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 1:19:57 PM   
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    I like the way you think about the tmaxx and i think what you did about going to your LHS and buy 4 MT's is pretty wize or clever or kool.....I too felt i was sinking too much into the hobby and felt i was stuck into a paperweight money pit...So to bail out i put my 2 terra crushers for sale(the rear diffs kept blowing,so did the g parts in the tranny) and my savage for sale.....

    But what i did was turn around and looked at what rc's had best to offer even it wouls cost me 2000 canadian for a rc's i would rather have that and be happy than spending my time fixing metled spur gears and broken dogbones etc,etc,.....

    So I went ou and bough this 1/6 scale off road buggy that is made by FG model....German quality at its best...gas powered no more expensive niro fuel....

    I still have 6 gallons of nitro left and might buy another nitro just to burn the rest off....But it won't a stinking tmaxx thats for sure...or tamiya....lesson learned...

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 3:52:36 PM   
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    Hi, There was an intersting post that was made by a member on rc universe that (to me) really made a very good point, (there is/was a bunch of (anty t maxx) threads (not started by me lol) basicly the member said along the lines... "you anti t maxx guys can say what you want but the industry will continue to cater to us weather you like it or not"... now this guy hit the nail on the head! and it is the sad truth of the matter. As long as there are many guys that eat up (buy) all this hype about this product the industry will CONTINUE to be influenced buy it AND THIS is why guys like me and others that have been in this hobby long before the t maxx product came out MUST voice our opinons and try to get the message out. As neat and as popular as the t maxx may seem/is to some people that have come into the hobby recently, the fact is it has some design flaws but because of it's popularity it has influanced the some of the r/c industry to follow along and make simular type products/parts that in my opinon have caused the industry to go backwards in deveopment of (RACING and COMPETION type products).

    eg; The tire (side wall) design on the t maxx is one of the WORST! designs EVER! and was NOT around untill the t maxx came along, The C type side wall design is compeat garbage and only lends its self to horendous side wall flex, retarded tire growth and inconsistant performance. because of many newbies not noing better, this type of tire has become popular and has become the (norm). Slowly we have seen some manfacturers try to repair, change, fix, this flawed design by flattening out, adding extra support and thickness to the side walls of this design.

    eg; The term "upgrades", "better parts", has become more popular than ever with the t maxx product, in 15+ years never have I seen such retardedness go on about having to ugrade, upgrade, upgrade a silly TOY!!! to the point that it has become redickulous lol.
    Aluminum "upgrade parts" for the t maxx are generaly NOT considered "upgrade" or "racing" parts to most 8scale people that have been in this hobby long enough to know better (with some exceptions), If we want to "upgrade" we try to look for parts that are made from carbon fibers, virgin nylons, graffites, fiber epoxyes and so on. For most of us things like, aluminum a arms would not, are not considered "upgrade" parts.

    eg, the chassis on the t maxx is very neat and cool looking BUT, it is NOT any type of competition type chassis and should NOT be refered to as such. The problem is some of the new people that have come into this hobby with there own ideas all of a sudden started to promote the t maxx as some type of competiton/race truck which it is not. The t maxxes raised platform chassis is NOT any type of good design if you want to race or be competitive with ANY true pan chassis race vehicle, but we continualy get some people saying/talking about how superiour the t maxx is to other kits...BULLPOOP!!!, the t maxx chassis design means it has a higher center of gravity (you are putting more weight higher up) so it will be more UNSTABLE at speed on the track than any standard pan chassis vehicle and that is the simple fact of the matter.

    Now there are some interesting and inovaitive things on the t maxx also but they should not be considered to be superiour to any other design that has been put out there because as neat as it may be on the t maxx many of the things on it could also be considered/looked at as a flawed design. As long as some of us continue to get the message out that there are OTHER GOOD kits on the market that offer MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK then hopfully we educate people that come into and are in this hobby so WE ALL!!! can get better products in the future...THIS IS WHAT THESE TYPE OF POSTS ARE REALLY ALL ABOUT. We are ALL consumers in this hobby and I know I don't want to be sucked in to buying a product just because it's good for my local hobby store's business, so they can keep me spending money on it.

    Again this post is not intended to offend and try and make t maxx owners run out and sell there kits, these type of posts are to get guys/girls thinking about what they are doing with the money they spend. I personaly want us ALL!!! to have better and better products.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 4:22:03 PM   
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    LOL how many times are you gonna copy and paste this BOSS?? LOL


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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/6/2003 4:46:06 PM   
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    Hi adeoliver, OH BOY! you MUST be loosing sleep over my posts eh LOL J/K. How the heck was I suppose to know you have spent over 10,000+ dollars on your t maxxes lol j/k.


    BTW; I apologize if I offended any t maxx owners, after 15+ years this is how I see it.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/8/2003 9:31:11 AM   
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    I think that post raises allot of good points adeoliver. It should posted at every LHS!

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    LOL how many times are you gonna copy and paste this BOSS?? LOL

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/8/2003 4:58:37 PM   
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    BOSS, I've read all the crap you have posted on numerous sites, and it's fine, it's your opinion. I'm not that crazy about the T-Maxx, but it doesn't deserve the treatment you give. One thing you have to remember about the T-Maxx, and Traxxas for that matter, is that the T-Maxx is a main reason for a large percentage of the RC Industry Boom over the last 3 years. More people have been bought T-Maxx's to get into the industry than any other RTR model. In turn, many of those people have expanded into other areas of RC, or simply upgraded from there. You cannot dismiss that the T-Maxx is an excellent entry vehicle for the new RC enthusiasts.

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/8/2003 5:05:57 PM   
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    i like gator cuz he likes trucks other than the mainstream ones

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/9/2003 12:24:59 AM   
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    Don`t you mean its excellent FOR the industry(and manufacturer).... Such a money hungry, aftermarket part chewing inferiour POS combined with intense marketing results in people having to drop large $$$ in the old LHS before they know what they have got themselves into. It was good for the industry making money.....its crap for the comsumer because they are getting shafted.

    Bravo traxxas, the business profile worked !

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    RE: TO T MAXX OR NOT TO T MAXX...that is the question - 11/9/2003 2:16:55 AM   
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