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RE: Good First Planes - 2/24/2009 8:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'm getting the GWS Slow Stick. New to rc flying. what i want to know is what radio system do you guys recommend? I want something with good range but i don't plan to upgrade to a bigger plane. In other words, a cheap one.

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RE: Good First Planes - 4/2/2009 12:12 AM   
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I have never flown RC airplanes before, but just received A FlyZone Select Cessna 182 RTF as a present. This is an airplane with 5 channel control (4 channels and flaps). I researched it a bit, and opinions whether it can be flown by a newbie are mixed. I also received a flight simulator with it.
One positive might be that I am a quite experienced full scale pilot with 3200 hrs and every fixed wing rating there is, on the downside I live in a very rural area and don't know any RC flyers, so an instructor might be hard to find. Anyway, the airplane sits on a desk assembled and ready to fly, but I don't want to destroy it on my first flight (less because of the money involved, but more not to hurt the feelings of the person who gave it to me).
So do the experienced pilots here think I can fly this by myself without pulverizing it on the first flight ( I am able to fly the simulator ok with even more advanced planes), and does have anyone any tips for my first flight?

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RE: Good First Planes - 4/2/2009 3:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Knowing how to fly a real plane will help with understanding the dynamics flight (stalls, airspeed, ailerons, rudders, etc).

It won't help with the manipulation of RC controls. Flying heads in (toward you) is completely different than sitting in the cockpit. Some controls are reversed, others aren't.

I recommend either a very wide open space, and lots of altitude for you first flight, or try out an RC simulator first.

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RE: Good First Planes - 8/31/2009 11:21 AM   
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This e-gldier almost flies itself. The RTF package includes everyting you need for $250. The included brushless motor will take the plane up at a confident 75 degree angle. Once you are several hundred feet high, turn the motor off. The prop will fold. Now you are gliding.

If you are lucky or skilled, you can hook into a thermal and work the plane high into the sky with the motor off. Flights can be as short as 5 minutes or hours in lenght, on one battery pack.

- Spektrum™ DX5e 5-channel full range 2.4GHz DSM2™ radio system eliminates interference and the need for frequency control
- Ready-to-fly right from the box – everything you need is included inside, even the batteries
- Large 2-meter wingspan makes the Radian easy to see and provides an excellent lift-to-drag ratio
- Plug-in wings separate for easy transportation and storage
- 11.1V, 1300mAh Li-Po battery for extended flight times
- Variable rate DC cell-balancing Li-Po charger safely charges and conditions Li-Po battery

- Wingspan: 78.7 in (2 m)
- Overall Length: 44.7 in (1137mm)
- Flying Weight: 30 oz (830 g)
- Motor Size: 480 brushless outrunner, 960Kv
- Radio: Spektrum 2.4GHz DX5e with AR500 full range receiver (included)
- Servos: Sub-micro 3-wire
- CG (center of gravity): 62mm behind the leading edge of the wing
- Speed Control : E-flite 30A Pro Brushless ESC with Switch-Mode BEC (EFLA1030) (included)
- Recommended Battery: 11.1V 1300mAh Li-Po (PKZ1033) (included)
- Approx. Flying Duration: Flight times in excess of 30 minutes when using the included ParkZone 1300mAh Li-Po battery and limited motor run
- Charger: 12V DC 2- to 3-cell Li-Po balancing

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RE: Good First Planes - 2/7/2010 1:10 AM   
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gardnesd ~"In other words, a cheap one"

It’s beginning to look like Horizon Hobby is finally eliminating its V-tail boom planes. ParkZone’s Slo-V-tail boom is still available, but for how long is uncertain. It took HZ long enough to finally realize that all their chintzy V-tail planes with all their overhead inventory of a zillion replacement parts was no longer in their best interest nor the consumers or the LHSs.

Will an ARF/RTF 3-channel brushless foamy one aileron twin boom pusher ever be marketed? A molded plane w/colorful decals similar in design to the following link. http://www.foamflyer.info/plane.html You’d think there would be enough profit margin with one priced under $200. An ARF/RTF design with accessory provision for those wanting to add the other aileron. However, with a falling dollar and rising yuan it may be expecting too much.

For some of you that think even this simple 3 channel one aileron pusher (if a RTF/ARF were available for purchase) is not suitable as a first plane let me offer my following 2 cents with respect to the previous post by Ed. First though we can't emphasize enough that there is a world of difference with respect to ones age and a self-taught parkflyer versus learning from a recognized/certified club instructor.

Since when is a $250 Parkzone Radian electric glider with a Spektrum™ DX5e 5-channel full range 2.4GHz DSM2™ radio system considered a suitable first plane for a beginner … unless of course your flight instructor happens to be both a glider enthusiast and half owner (e.g. Dad, big brother, etc) that’s willing to put up $125 or more toward the purchase.

NOTE: Yes, Ed I realize/agree with the value in the saying, "You get what you pay!" The Parkzone Radian with DX5e is certainly tempting for the price. "In other words, a cheap one" has proven to be a waste of money the majority of time.

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RE: Good First Planes - 3/3/2010 7:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ugh, well, here we go.  Any info on the Air Field RC Cessna 182 Sky Trainer?

http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a182-airfield-skytrainer-blue.html

I've heard mixed reviews on nitroplanes, but I've seen you tube videos from "NightFlyer's" channel, and he recommends it.  I'm a n00b, so my knowledge is very limited, but at $150 I could buy 2 of them as opposed to coughing up the $300 for the E-Flight Apprentice 15e. 

Quick background on me:
1. Just recieved AMA card
2. Signed up with a local club here in SoCal, so I'll have some training help.
3. Logged in quite a few hours on my RealFlight Basic that I purchased 2 weeks ago.
4. I've learned quite a bit on the internet the past few weeks.  Seems like the more I read, the more worried I get about my first plane purchase. :>(  I really want something that will grow with me.

Well, there we go.  A first post.  Smells like..... victory.


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RE: Good First Planes - 3/3/2010 2:24 PM   
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gardnesd ~"In other words, a cheap one"

It’s beginning to look like Horizon Hobby is finally eliminating its V-tail boom planes. ParkZone’s Slo-V-tail boom is still available, but for how long is uncertain. It took HZ long enough to finally realize that all their chintzy V-tail planes with all their overhead inventory of a zillion replacement parts was no longer in their best interest nor the consumers or the LHSs.


The consumer votes with his $$.  What is in the best interest of LHS is planes that sell rapidly.

The HobbyZone Firebird and Aerobird series were wonderful models that introduced thousands to flying RC airplanes.  In their day the represented a breakthrough in quality and value.  I was one of those fortunate people who benefited from the ease of flying and rugged design of these planes.  But time moves on, new products are produced and old ones fade away. 

There is nothing wrong with V tails.  I have a nice 2M ARF V tail glider and a 3M competition V tail glider.  


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Will an ARF/RTF 3-channel brushless foamy one aileron twin boom pusher ever be marketed? A molded plane w/colorful decals similar in design to the following link. http://www.foamflyer.info/plane.html You’d think there would be enough profit margin with one priced under $200. An ARF/RTF design with accessory provision for those wanting to add the other aileron. However, with a falling dollar and rising yuan it may be expecting too much.

For some of you that think even this simple 3 channel one aileron pusher (if a RTF/ARF were available for purchase) is not suitable as a first plane let me offer my following 2 cents with respect to the previous post by Ed. First though we can't emphasize enough that there is a world of difference with respect to ones age and a self-taught parkflyer versus learning from a recognized/certified club instructor.

Since when is a $250 Parkzone Radian electric glider with a Spektrum™ DX5e 5-channel full range 2.4GHz DSM2™ radio system considered a suitable first plane for a beginner … unless of course your flight instructor happens to be both a glider enthusiast and half owner (e.g. Dad, big brother, etc) that’s willing to put up $125 or more toward the purchase.


This has been a suitable first plane since about last November.  

Pilots are starting on the Radian with wonderful success all over the country.

Many of the most popular first 2 and 3 channel electric planes are actually gliders in disguise.   The Firebirds, the T-Hawk, the Aerobirds, the Easy Star, the slow stick and many more.  They are extremely stable and very self correcting, The are capable of slow, power off flight giving the new pilot lots of time to consider their next move.  This is a very good forumla for a first plane for a self trainer. 

Likewise the Radian falls into the same category.  The plane flies very slowly.  In fact, properly trimed, the plane will fly unattended.  Get it 100 feet up and cut the power and the plane will float along all on its own.   Line it up for landing and just let it glide in to land.   Wonderful.

The foam is very resiliant, hard to break and easy to fix.   Another good attibute.

Finally the RTF with 2.4 GHz radio avoids all frequency confligs with other pilots.

As for the price.   Well one man's cheap is another man's expensive.   People can judge for themselves.


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NOTE: Yes, Ed I realize/agree with the value in the saying, "You get what you pay!" The Parkzone Radian with DX5e is certainly tempting for the price. "In other words, a cheap one" has proven to be a waste of money the majority of time.


What is cheap?  I rarely use price as a key criteria.  I look for value.   A $30 airhogs RTF can be a good value.   A $150 RTF may be a poor value.   It all depends on what you get for your money.  What is a poor value vs. a good value is usually determined by the  market.


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RE: Good First Planes - 4/26/2010 9:01 PM   
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RE: Good First Planes - 4/27/2010 1:36 AM   
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i don't know if anyone brought up Mountain Models or Stevens   very reasonable, easy to build and quality service.


Those are brands, not models.  Do they have models/kits that you would recommend as good first planes?



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RE: Good First Planes - 5/12/2010 6:56 PM   
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There is nothing wrong with V tails. I have a nice 2M ARF V tail glider and a 3M competition V tail glider.
V-tails serve a functional must for sailplane/gliders/slope soarers, and for sleek/speedy pylon racers.

When it comes to whether or not the PZ Slo-V would be better with a traditional rudder/elevator setup OR whether a GWS Slow Stick would be better with a V-tail is more personal preference/taste (mute/a toss-up) ... they don't need to slip stream(glide/ride thermals), go 100 mph or look like a Predator ... still a V-tail looks cool. I prefer the V-tail looks of a Slo-V, but many buy the GWS as an inexpensive kit with a choice of accessories, its main wing aileron mod capability, etc. Probably more GWS kits and accessories have been sold over the years than any other electric plane. Has there ever been another kit as popular as the Slow-Stick?

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What is cheap? I rarely use price as a key criteria. I look for value. A $30 airhogs RTF can be a good value. A $150 RTF may be a poor value. It all depends on what you get for your money. What is a poor value vs. a good value is usually determined by the market.
The best value for my 7 year old grandson for two years has been a little one channel $10 Airhog
Delta Wing Jet (with adjustable rudder stablizer) that does neat aerobatics while generally flying in a circle with 100' range ... only control is prop speed with finger trigger (don't make them anymore).

And then there was the colorful, cool-looking RTF Aerobird Swift V-tail that caught many a Parkflyer's eye, but proved to be a "boring" if not frustrating "poor value."

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RE: Good First Planes - 7/21/2010 11:39 AM   
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I recently tested a friend's Sky Surfer and was very pleased with it's peformance. The Surfer had plenty of power from it's brushless motor and was stable in it's flight.The assembly was extremely simple;just glue on tail and wings. The motor,servos,esc,receiver are preinstallled . The plane has rudder ,elevator,aileron and motor control. The radio is a 2.4 gh 4 channel with receiver,1300 lipo and battery charger. The Surfer has a carbon spar for the wing and overall this plane is quite sturdy. I have flown many training planes on the market and this one is the most crash resistent of all. The Sky Surfer from Banana Hobby is well worth your consideration.

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RE: Good First Planes - 7/25/2010 1:35 AM   
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RE: Good First Planes - 5/6/2011 7:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I myself just started flying RC and after reading many posts and reviews and doing my research I ended up with the EMBER 2 (RTF) from Parkzone.

I couldn't be happier with my choice. This little ultra-micro is a great trainer plane. This true 3-channel with rudder and elevator control is fun to fly and easy to gain confidence.

The price of the RTF has gone down and being able to pick one up at the LHS for under $100 is a bargain when it comes with a stock 4-channel transmitter and Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 technology.
With the only downfall being a ridiculously light airframe making it hard to fly on a mildly windy day. But on the upside even in a light wind you can really learn how the plane is effected by the elements and learn how to counter those forces and still fly.
I have just recently added the Parkzone J-3 cub prop (100mm x 60mm) which has boosted the speed a little bit and also allows it to cut through the wind, if any, much better.
I will be adding the "Tiny Bright Lights" light kit for easier flying at dusk when the winds are normally low.

Great trainer, at a great price, with a great bind-n-fly Tx, and an all round great joy to fly!!!

My next step will probably the Parkzone J-3 Cub.

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RE: Good First Planes - 5/6/2011 8:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm using the Ultra Micro T-28 as my first plane. It too has a light frame so winds are tricky. Once I trimmed out the quirks, like too much up elevator, man could that plane loop, and too much left aileron, rolled into the ground first flight, it flys very nicely and is very stable. I flew it at half throttle and was able to keep it under control quite easily for my first "real" plane. At full throttle it can really move.  Being that it is white and red it is easy to see too, except when the sun gets in the way !  I was able to hover it too, had just enough wind to keep it airborne at a low throttle and it just hung there like it was on a string, pretty cool.

So I would recomend it for anyone who has flown a simulator and at least knows what the sticks do.  I wish I had a big indoor place I could fly it though, my grass is too high for TO&L with it, and I have yet had a calm enough day to fly it again outside.


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RE: Good First Planes - 4/14/2012 4:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		No one has added anything new to this thread for some time. I regained my interest in RC planes a few years back. The early years 60's were spent fooling around with first stepping escapes and minimal control, then with reed systems.
I finally got around to trying ARF's in the middle 70's, along with a Heathkit proportional TX RX kit. Got out of the hobby, and got back in.

Today, I'd say that a six channel TX RX is the minimum to start with, unless there are severe monetary concerns.
Since I'm quite a bit older now larger aircraft (5-6 foot wings) are easier for me to see and control.
The electrics have the most appeal, since I still remember (not fondly) trying to start stubborn glow engines in cold weather.
An Alpha 40 with an E-flite 25 or 32 and a 4 cell 3300MAH Lipo is not a bad first trainer. A modification is to relocate the wing to the rear about an inch or so.
This eliminates most of the additional nose weight needed to compensate for the weight difference between the electric motor and the .46 glow engine.

Another plane (If you have an instructor) is the "platinum edition" DH-2 Beaver. When setup properly, it's also easy to fly, and has a great deal of "curb appeal"

The RC hobby was never inexpensive. It always has cost either time, money, or both. Many of the low priced RTFs are of limited use, since they can be difficult to fly in even a slight wind.

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RE: Good First Planes - 4/17/2012 8:10 PM   
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Today, I'd say that a six channel TX RX is the minimum to start with, unless there are severe monetary concerns.
Since I'm quite a bit older now larger aircraft (5-6 foot wings) are easier for me to see and control.

Many of the low priced RTFs are of limited use, since they can be difficult to fly in even a slight wind.

Agree that your recommendation is a perfect fit for your background, but not by a long shot for your average youthful parkflyer that's just getting into electrics. Besides, it's always best for a beginner to first get a handle on the basics with little or no wind.

A better choice for just as much fun for less cost is the Ultra-Micro P-51D BNF with fully proportional throttle, ailerons, elevator, rudder. It's a good 4-channel beginner choice for learning in an indoor arena during those dreary/windy spring, fall or winter days outside.

$99 for the BNF, plus $43 for the 2.4GHz TX, plus $10 for a couple extra props, plus $13 for a couple extra inexpensive batteries, plus $15 for the AC Charger Adaptor.

You are correct in saying it's not cheap even with a relatively inexpensive UltraMicro setup coming in at just under $200, but just as much fun for a beginner as your perfect 21st Century reintroduction to flying via electric power.


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RE: Good First Planes - 4/28/2012 8:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question folks. I have found two so-called trainers for under $100 on theh web. One is a Flyzone Super Cub Micro made by Hobbico. The other being Cox Sky Ranger EP. The Micro has a wing spread of 17.7" and the Cox had 20". I would like input on these or similar cheaper planes that would be good trainers. Thanks in advance.
 

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RE: Good First Planes - 2/4/2013 5:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Multiplex Easy Star has long been a favorite plane for me to recommend.  However you can't find them anymore.

Why?

They are being phased out and replaced by the Hitec Sky Scout
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Same plane with better motor and Hitec electronics.    Good package.   Flies well AND it gliders well too.




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RE: Good First Planes - 2/8/2013 7:39 PM   
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RE: Good First Planes - 2/8/2013 8:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of my most recommended planes is the HZ Super Cub RTF.

Also visit these threads:

> Six Keys to Success
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2840882/tm.htm

EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRIC POWERED FLIGHT
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7100376/tm.htm

HOW TO FIX WARPS, DENTS, TWISTS OR UNCRUNCH FOAM PARTS
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66805

> Workshop Ventilation
> http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=235


And, for when you are thinking about that next plane, which should be some ways off, this might be good food for thought.

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