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RE: RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 2/17/2004 6:13:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the test runs that I made with the OS 60, I used klotz @ 18% with 25% Methanol and the rest gasoline. I didn't see any seperation at all. The klotz being soluble in both methanol and gasoline kept everything in solution. However the 5% ether will do the same thing with other oils as long as the oil content is not more than 2% or so.

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RE: RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 2/20/2004 10:02:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		this is an awesome thread. my case has no mount studs for the coil so i am seriously looking at this setup. im wondering how you are starting this setup? you said with an electric starter, but what exactly is your sequence? turn the voltage on and then hit it with the starter? isnt there a high chance it will detonate as soon as you light up the glow plug if its in the compresed stroke? and what about backfiring or running the wrong way because it fires too soon/late? any issues with this?

im going to see if i can whip up one of these spark plug adapters.

keet up the good work guys.
matt

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RE: RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 2/21/2004 8:38:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		none so ever, it will start just like a glow engine, try it and see what you think about it.

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RE: RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 2/29/2004 11:36:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		from one of rc ignitions comments i understand that amsoil 100-1 will mix with metanol the same as gasoline so is it possible to run a ryobi at 80meth 20 gas 100-1 mix? it is hard to find oil othewr than klotz or gas turbine synthetic that will mix with metanol or methylhydrate

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/29/2005 12:46:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi guys,

I was seeking for some way add gas to glow fuel to cut costs. But after read the topic, I am thinking to not use any glow fuel at all.
Here in Brazil, a gallon of unleaded gas costs US$8.30. It has anhydrous ethanol at a proportion of 22%, I read previously that a glow plug will ignite the ethanol by catalization , is it correct ? So, it will be only necessary to add castor oil to make a suitable fuel to substitute the glow fuel.

Please, is it feasible ?

Thanks

Nelson

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/29/2005 3:20:37 AM   
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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/29/2005 1:52:25 PM   
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Status: online 		The high gas content of 78% will probably prevent the plug catalitic action. More so, while ethanol is not as strong in keeping the plug lit like methanol.
It is worth a try though.

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/29/2005 2:54:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would think the use of a 1.5 volt glowplug driven with 2.4 volts should give a lot of help to the catalitic action of the plug. The thing I am wondering about....will the plug burn out sooner than it should? I would imagine there are a lot of glow plugs to try also. How about a GlowBee....I think that is the one with a flat coil??? Not sure. Keep up this very intesting project. Thanks Capt,n

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/29/2005 11:31:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Converts! Ive tried the glow plug with 2 x1.2 2300ma batteries and it doesn't burn the plug it helps "alot" with the gasoline burning, E85 fuel is 85% ethanol + 15% gasoline it works good with a regular idle bar plug if you put some nitro 5% otherwise you will need to use the battery for the loww idle transition.

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/30/2005 4:27:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		How long will that 2300 mah batery provide a good glow? Thanks Capt,n

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/30/2005 3:23:34 PM   
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Hi Converts! Ive tried the glow plug with 2 x1.2 2300ma batteries and it doesn't burn the plug it helps "alot" with the gasoline burning, E85 fuel is 85% ethanol + 15% gasoline it works good with a regular idle bar plug if you put some nitro 5% otherwise you will need to use the battery for the loww idle transition.


Soooo, 1 gallon of E85 mixed at 50:1 with Amsoil + 5% Nitro + Idle bar glow plug = a usable fuel without using an on-board glow battery ?

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/30/2005 5:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The battery wil last aprox. 2 - 3 tanks of 16 oz fuel (aprox 1 hour) but you can make 2 or 3 2 battery packs and replace as needed for a days flight, besides the pack doesnt weigh much if you use NiMhi batteries.

As for Antiques question Amsoil will not mix very well with E85 alone thats why I use 60% regular gasoline with 35% E85 to make oil mixing easyer otherwise you will need CASTOR oil to mix with the E85 fuel/Nitro by it self.

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 4/30/2005 5:51:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Captain! I think that the MDS 1.48 would work great but you will need to use a Higher contet of oil and I don,t know hog it will affect the burning of gasoline if you used Amsoil at 30:1 ratio it might work but then again is just my guess, another thing I would try would be using a castor amsoil mix at 30-40:1 ratio and see how it works, I have a Magnum 1.80 that will give it a try when I can find some time to do so, please let me know what you find out.

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RE: gas fuel with glo plug no ignition - 5/3/2005 6:44:54 PM   
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Interesting paper about using ethanol on full size converted engines http://www.webs1.uidaho.edu/niatt/publications/Reports/KLK319.pdf . Please pay attention to page 20, "Catalytic Igniter Concept". Very technical, but a worth reading .

In fact, I worried about the toxicity of the methanol and here ethanol are found in a any gas station, at the price of US$5.40/gallon. It's like a E95.

Regards,

Nelson

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