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RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/22/2004 11:13:37 PM   
vpresley



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Status: offline 		Well the RENEGADE thing works as long as nothing bad happens. "Pro, Hey I can go wild, Con hey I can go wild". The assumption that all RENEGADE pilots are gentleman, and safe is taking it a little bit far in the ASSUMPTION game. As I stated, as long as "Nothing Bad Happens" your good to go. The minute "Some Thing Bad Happens" Its another story. No one care's until then. The news will blow it out of proportion, mis- report etc, etc. He coulda, shoulda, woulda will be the order of the day. The AMA will have to deny any involvement in the renegade activities, and again no one will care. Of course until laws are passed affecting us all, to deal with this obviously out of control hobby. But by then its to late. Sooner or later the renegades will affect us in a very negative way. The saying "Stupid People Will Be The End Of Us All" comes to mind. Oh they dont think they are stupid, but in fact they are. Just like the insane person who thinks he's normal and everyone else is crazy. Sometimes you just have to laugh, and pray I guess.

Vince

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RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/22/2004 11:38:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vicman

Man Troll! Do you have any intelligent input other than to stir the pot?


obviously... no.

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There is a one-time fee and a test that will require a couple of hours study time for someone with an IQ over 100 and no prior need to be familiar with FCC rules.

There's a problem with this... the definition of !Q= 100 is.. AVERAGE intelligenc.e That means at least 50% of all people would FAIL.

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If you can afford the $2500 for the turbine engine and the $500 to $1500 for the kit to mount it in and the $500 for the RC system... and the $$$$$ for the minimal support equip for that turbine... and be able to risk that much to instant destruction.... (look at that video of the trubine model crashes at a World Masters event... "Krach.mov" best of the best turbine model pilots... and many models destroyed in ONE weekend!) obviously $58/yr is not going to be a drop in your pocketbook. You'll also have enough $$$$ net worth to be seen as a deep pocket person when the lawsuit comes up after your $3000 to $30,000 toy hits someone.

Pretty dumb NOT to have the ADDED 2.5 million insurance on top of any other insurance you would certainly have.

Thats simply looking at it from a financial perspective.

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I fly at non-club fields more than at club fields now... but you can bet I'm keeping my AMA membership. I have no intention of becomming permanently in debt due to some unforseeable radio problem landing my airplane in a playground 5 miles from where I fly.

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/23/2004 3:42:56 PM   
ifixairplanes


 

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Status: offline 		airdog, i too am a renegade pilot. Trust me, no matter how strong you stand on your point, the people in these forums will try to knock you down. I have been flying all winter on local frozen lakes, i dont have AMA or whatever. Point is, you won't win with these people, it's easy enough to stop trying. Soon they will twist around your post and attack your work ethics. All i got's to say is good luck, have fun, fly safe.

TO EACH HIS OWN!!!

BTW: Those of you that followed my AMA post, (All this BS) As soon as spring arrives, me and my student pilot are going to join the AMA and a local club.

Sean

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/23/2004 5:49:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sean,
To each his own is great when it doesn't effect others. Unfortunately causing damage that you cannot be financially responsible for does effect the damaged party. It's easy to poo-poo responsibilty when you are under legal age but, parents are responsible for thier childrens actions in many states. We Americans are great at not taking responsibilty for our actions but supporting the AMA is an easy way of taking charge of our potential liabilities.

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/23/2004 7:25:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer to call these guys "non-AMA" flyers rather than "renegade". Renegade tends to imply that they are doing somthing illegal or wrong.

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/24/2004 5:00:30 AM   
ifixairplanes


 

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Status: offline 		I am neither under age nor are my parents responsible for me.
Take it easy, I said I was joining the AMA and a club in the spring.
"poo-poo responsibility"? I wont go there.
And yes, to each his own. If you dont like that then well, to each his own. Your opinion, your entitled to it.


Peace
Sean
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ORIGINAL: BasinBum

Sean,
To each his own is great when it doesn't effect others. Unfortunately causing damage that you cannot be financially responsible for does effect the damaged party. It's easy to poo-poo responsibilty when you are under legal age but, parents are responsible for thier childrens actions in many states. We Americans are great at not taking responsibilty for our actions but supporting the AMA is an easy way of taking charge of our potential liabilities.


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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/24/2004 5:04:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		ifix: First you cant have a thin skin and post in these forums. Just a fact of life on the net in general. Flying alone is dangerous, as in prop cuts to extremities and other medical problems that can arise, who will help you if no one is around. The fact that non-AMA pilots can have an immediate and negative affect on the AMA when something goes wrong is another problem. When the investigation starts, it usually starts with known clubs in the area. Interference from non-ama pilots on clubs in the area, that mysterious interference might be a non-ama flyer that no one knows about. Its pretty near impossible to do your own thing and not affect others. If you can, great for you. If not, its something to think about.

Vince

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/24/2004 5:11:33 AM   
BasinBum



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Status: offline 		Sean,
I must have you confused with someone else who is under age in the forums. Why did you make your statement if your joining AMA?

Vince,
I didn't think his response was thin skinned, he just gave me an honest response.

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/24/2004 5:29:04 AM   
ifixairplanes


 

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Status: offline 		I was just letting you know i decided to join the AMA, i believe you followed one of my first posts here and opposed strongly me being a renegade. I have decided to change my ways

Vince, Whatever gave you the idea I am thin skinned? What i feel like typing does not give any indication of being "thin skinned". Please do me a favor, i want to know what the definition of "thin skinned" is. Please enlighten me.
I dont think i said i fly alone. I fly with good group of gentlemen. Your attempt at a bash i think failed. Also, there are no local clubs to where i fly. Also i know how to fly safely and in a way to not endager people. So this so called "negative affect" does not occur. sorry.
quote:

ORIGINAL: BasinBum

Sean,
I must have you confused with someone else who is under age in the forums. Why did you make your statement if your joining AMA?

Vince,
I didn't think his response was thin skinned, he just gave me an honest response.


< Message edited by ifixairplanes -- 2/24/2004 12:30:15 AM >

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/25/2004 6:54:50 AM   
vpresley



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Status: offline 		Ifix: Your post 53 hinted at a little thin skin. Thin Skin = easily offended, takes offense easily etc etc. No, no attempted bash. A higher percentage of non-AMA flyers fly alone more than not. Some AMA flyer's fly alone also, discouraged by most clubs for the previously stated reasons. As to the negative affects possible, usually, "acts of god", radio interference, mechanical failure, catastrophic failure of some type, the after flutter crash for example. None forseable and happens to AMA guys too. You can do everything right and still crash. But at least with AMA you do have insurance.

Vince

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RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/25/2004 6:43:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I'm curious about is if you can afford to take responsibility for your actions. I have no problem with anything you've said. I've often flown at places that I'm "not supposed to." But you mention hitting your own car. What if you hit another person and he's maimed for life or dead? Can you afford to take responsibilty for that? In other words, are you independently wealthy or have some insurance that will kick in?

Taking responsibility means actually being able to take responsibility - not just saying it.

Anyway, it's just a question - not a criticism. I'd do the same thing if I had a place to fly but the only place around here that I know of is an AMA sanctioned club, so it's join or don't fly or drive for hours to find a field.

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RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/26/2004 7:01:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread reminds me of all the excuses I've heard over the years for not buying, say medical insurance as an example. "I've never been sick a day in my life, so what do I need that for " . Usually out of the mouth of some 21 yr old. Then he develops some rare disease, or cripples himself for life playing some kinda sport, and it's " oh well,, I'll just file bankruptcy, since I can't pay my medical bills, and "they'll" take care of me somehow.The rest ofyou can pay my medical bills for life in the form of higher insurance and provider rates, but who cares? It didn't cost me a dime". Ideas like that aren't personal responsibility. They're personal IRRESPONSIBILITY. You may THINK you are in control of the situation at the dry lake bed. Trust me, lots of things can happen that you never dreamed of, and there you are, no insurance to cover it, the civil court decides against you, you're broke, and facing paying off a huge settlement to the tune of an amount you never would have believed in your wildest nightmare. No one LIKES to pay for insurance, including me. The thought of taking huge risks by NOT buying it is unthinkable to me. I worked way too hard for what I have to risk it all in a personal liability lawsuit from flying a model airplane of all things.

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RE: RE: renegade jet pilot - 2/28/2004 10:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow must be a small world huh i've read post in this thread from people that cover three places i have flown at poway industrial park very dangerouse place when i was there they would fly down in to a canyon and pop over a fence. you ever fly a plane looking DOWN at it.
minot ND learned to fly there in 90 or 91 i think, was in the air force then. and finally flew with a friend once at the basin not as bad as poway but hectic and just not my cup of chowder.

like they say its a small world but i wouldnt want to paint it

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RE: renegade jet pilot - 3/19/2004 6:26:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The tragic circumstance is, that AMA is about as useful to R/C jet pilots as is a hole in the kneecap.

AMA is dominated by backward people who are the enemies of technological progress in model aircraft flying. Instead of promoting technological solutions to the increasing difficulty of flying ever more powerfull jets - like for instance allowing the use of auxiliary autopilots who could return the jet to towards the radio control in case of a pilot command or the loss of radio control - they restrict speed and engine thrust and don´t allow speed events etc. AMA is unneccessary for insurance of model aircraft, since since there are other companies who do this (like UMA). The one and only reason for a jet pilot to become an AMA member is their monopoly of flying fields.

But the interest in performance limits is an integral part of the fascination with (high) technology. And technological progress is as natural and unstopable as is gravitation. And as R/C jets do not have a genuine 3D capability, their speed is their true speciality. AMA functionaries tend to lack the intelligence to recognize this.

Therefore, AMA has to carry the greatest part of the responsability, if many jet pilots (depending on their inclination) today are obliged to take higher risks in practising their hobby.

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