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Better than the Venus?? - 11/24/2003 11:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey everyone,
I'm currently looking for a pattern ARF in the 40-50 size range. Are there any out there that out perform the GP Venus? My dad's got a Venus 40, and its a great plane. But, being his son, I'm looking for something to top his Venus. I know, many 60 or 90 size pattern planes would easily out perform the Venus, but the 40 size is currently within my price range.

However, if anyone knows of a good 60 size ARF for $300 or less, speak up!

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 12:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		how bout a quest 90 $250 its an arf it can use a 4s 90-140 and a 2s 90-140 its light and is a great performer.....i have a .91FX on it and its has VERY good vertical it will speed up in a vertical at first.......i do most flying a 1/2 to 3/4 throttle and use full in manuvers.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 1:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmm... i seem to remember hearing that the quest was kinda fragile. of course, i'm not looking to drop it out of a 2nd story window, but you know that i mean. I'm also not familiar with engines bigger than a saito 80. Does the 90 fx need a pump?

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 2:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I put together the prices for the Quest 90, it is right on the border for being a little too pricey for me at the moment. A full outfit is gonna be about $620.

Lets head back to the 40 size category; at least for now.

I pose the question again: Are there any 40-50 size pattern ARFs that will outperform the Venus 40?

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 2:05 AM   
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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 2:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		The zen 50 looks good, but is there any way to get fixed LG for it? I fly at two fields, one with thick velcro-type grass, and one that is very bumpy. I've seen many very-seasoned pilots rip out retracts on both.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 3:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		the hyde-away made from ez is a great pattern plane you can drop a .46fx a .50sx or a 4stroke ys .63 or saito .72 the only thing i dont like about the venus is that it has built in incindence in the wing so that it will not tip stall so easy but that means in unusual attitudes such in knife edge or inverted it will fly funky the hyde-away is a little expensive $250 but i think thats youre best choice for .40 size arf the zen 50 i think are too heavy 6lb compared to just over 5lb for the hyde-away both are almost the same size. the hydeaway is a modified version of the hyde-out which chip hyde designed and flys since '96. everything else for the big pattern planes will cost much more for engine and servos but paying more up front for the hyde-away

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 3:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		still looking for a plane w/o retracts.

are either of the UCanDo's any good for precision aerobatics?

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Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 6:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Check out the Cermark Javelin. It is 61" long and has a 58" wingspan. I have heard that they fly great.

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RE: Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 6:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		so am I to conclude that there are no other 40 sized pattern ARFs out there without retracts?

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RE: Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 9:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cermark Javelin is the ticket. $150, best value in entry level pattern I've seen. Had a lot of fun with my Venus this summer, but the Javelin will out-fly it hands down. YS63 is a great way to go, but if money is tight try a GMS47. With YS you can put tank under canopy on CG; with 2-stroke inverted you'll have to cut a hatch into bottom of fuse to get tank mounted at the right level.

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RE: Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 9:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		You should conclude that this thread has only been open for 8 hours or so...

You should fit your criteria in one post- that way we can get a better feel of what exactly you are looking for.

Size
Price
Grass field
etc.

Zen w/flaperons landing 3 pointer= no broken gear

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RE: Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 1:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are other .40 sized arf planes out there.
For instance the Kyosho Majestic 1400 is one ( it has fixed gear). I used to own one myself, and i really loved it. It performed very well with an OS .50 SX. Would be even better with the YS .63
Now I fly a TWM Zen 50, and you are right about the gear. If you fly from a bumpy airfield I wouldn't recommend it. Other than that, it is a great plane.

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RE: Cermark Javelin - 11/25/2003 5:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		take out the retracts and put in fixed gear: you are right about the quest first one i had i built stock and it broke up when i landed at a grass field........but i have one on order right now and i will FG stress points on the fuse and i will put shorter LG on it (the LG it comes with is 9" long). the 91FX i will mount inverted this time and use a KM wrap around header.........i am using a perry pump and i like the setup at first its hard to get to work but when i got it set it was AWSOME oh BTW if you use a perry pump the low end has to be set really lean.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/25/2003 6:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Global Freestyle from Hobby People. $149.99. I can fly most of the Masters sequence manuevers quite well with it. Mine is powered by a YS .63.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, here are the specs that this plane needs to meet:

40-50 Size
Pattern Capable
Less than $300 ARF
Good Performance with an OS 50SX
Fixed Gear
Will work with 70 oz-in servos or less



I like the looks of the global freestyle. I'm a little concerned about the engine mount setup on it though.

Personally, I think the Funtana 40 is one of the best looking planes out there. But is it a decent pattern ship?


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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 4:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Aresti is good but I think the Venus is pretty hard to beat...

You might be ifghting an uphill battle to beat him

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 5:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmm... maybe i will have to put fixed gear on a Javelin with an OS 61 to beat him.

how hard would it be to find fixed gear to fit it?

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 5:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Cermark photos of their Javelin make it look like it has retracts--but they're not, they're fixed wire struts mounted to hardwood stock in the wing, torsion bar style struts. When someone says .61 two-stroke, I think .75 two-stroke for less weight and more power. I am not above "over-powering" any model that has the wing area to carry the powerplant, but IMHO the .61 would be over-over-powering the Javelin. I really think a .46 to .52 two-stroke would give you more than enough vertical, and beyond that it's better to save the weight than add power you'll not likely put to good use. You can only go so high, so fast, before the model is hard to see, then you have to come down again.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 5:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmm... i would still consider making some fuse-mounted fixed gear. quite frankly i think that fixed, wing-mounted LG is really bad looking.

does anybody here have a Javelin? if so, could you tell me the width of the fuse right in front of the wing?

EDIT: I just called Cermark, and I am VERY impressed with their service! I haven't even bought a single product from them, and yet the guy on the phone was willing to go measure the plane! As far as I'm concerned, that is the ULTIMATE in customer service. Anyway, the fuse is 3" wide just in front of the wing on the bottom. This means that a $12 set of Venus landing gear will work just fine.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 1:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, Mike--I'll admit the fixed gear hanging down from the wing look a little goofy, and it took me a couple days before I got used to looking at them. The flying characteristics helped me get over that hang-up--and the wire struts are lighter than fuse-mounted gear would be. I'm sure you could put Venus gear on the fuse, but I think you'd have to cut through the former (F2, if it was a kit) to insert a ply gear mounting plate, then glue the cut-out back in place. Then you'd have to compensate for the forward shift in CG, which would probably mean cutting a rear hatch for the battery. I'm a kit-basher myself, so I understand your inclinations. My advice is, Get the Javelin, then think about what you want to change.

The Javelin I've seen fly several times is two-years old, with at least a few hundred flights on it, no problem with durability of the wing-mounted gear--although the pilot is very good, so no hard landings.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/26/2003 3:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Freestyle fits the bill for your requirements. I'd consider using a tuned pipe setup with the 50. I flew one guys Funtana with a 46 in it. To me it didn't fit the ticket for precision aerobatics.

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/27/2003 4:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		the Cermark website says the Javelin should have a weight of 3 pounds!! Is this a typo? That would make it a lot lighter than the Venus (4.8-5.3 lbs).

For pattern flying, what, of the OS line, would be a good engine for it?

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/27/2003 6:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you want a real pattern airplane with retract go for the STREAM 50 from Hirobo, modelrectifier is the distributor of this brand and beleive me....is MUCH BETTER!! than the VENUS, ARESTI etc. It flies increidible and you can do all the pattern sequence with this aircraft.
The airplane is about $250usd

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RE: Better than the Venus?? - 11/27/2003 6:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes, i've looked at the stream 50, but the javelin is a perfect fit fit what i need at the moment.



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