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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/21/2004 7:00:37 PM   
michaelburton01


 

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To all who shed a tear as I have,
Dry um up folks. I'm gonna order another. This planes fate was sealed by my failure to follow through with installing the battery backup system I just finished building the day before. I trusted that my 6 volt 4.5Ah gel-cell battery had plenty of juice. I failed to perform the most important preflight check of all. Battery condition. I allowed the excitement of having 3 new students waiting for stick time to overshadow the importance of a through pre-flight. Even though during my ground school session I expounded on the importance of a rigid preflight each and every time you prepare to fly. The receivers were FMA Direct and flawless in my book. We had been airborne for about 15 min. Just prior to this mishap I had badgered the student next to me to make more aggressive turns (it seemed as if he was apprehensive to apply the command) he informed me that he was giving it all he could, a quick glance down to his buddy box confirmed that the stick was a full deflection. I quickly disconnected him and throttled back, noticing that the response to pitch and roll commands were very delayed. I opted to commit to a quick landing. I was able to line it up with the field and dropped the flaps. Thus removing any power left in the battery. Within seconds the plane rolled over and went into a very steep dive. The noise of the plane hurling itself through the tree prior to burying the Fuji a good 6 inches into the ground was beyond explanation. It left a hole through the tree about 1.5 foot in diameter. Shedding wings and tail thus leaving them shredded in the tree.

Get this. I have the last few seconds of this flight on video. Kinda wish the camera was in the plane though. It would have been a cool ride.

Bruce,
I would like to order another one please.
With your permission of course, seeing how I didn't take very good care of the last one.

Michael

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/22/2004 2:19:42 AM   
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MAN! Those kind of things can happen to the most seasoned pro, But the REAL pro is the person who gets right back on the horse that threw him

Way to go Mike


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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/22/2004 2:23:30 PM   
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quote:

Bruce,
I would like to order another one please.
With your permission of course, seeing how I didn't take very good care of the last one.

Michael





Ummmmmm...... Okay!

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/22/2004 3:32:42 PM   
fobus



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Michael,
Now you have gone and done it. Your resolve to build another one has put me in an uncomfortable position. If you build a second one before I finish my first one, then I will have to disappear from the "Universe" to hang my head in shame. As I enjoy the camaraderie of the SFK guys, I will again redouble my efforts.

This brings me to my current beef; Zenoah engines. First let me say, I love Zenoah engines. I own more than a dozen, from G26 to GT80s. They are priced right and very reliable. They get better with use. It is the set up time that is the problem. While most engine manufacturers provide the engine with proper linkage set up, Zenoah makes you do it yourself. I wish they would decide after more than 35 years whether they were selling model airplane engines or weed-whackers. The carb mounting block that rotated the carburetor to ease throttle set up was a step in the right direction. Zenoah provides you with a throttle arm kit. I was working last night on preparing the G38s for mounting. The kits included the arms and set screws, but for the first time there was no hole in the nylon or brass bushing for the screw. Now I am being required to drill and tap the throttle arm. The first thing you are required to do is remove the old stock metal arm. Instructions tell you to use a pair of needle nose pliers to do this. If you don't grind off the bit of brass arm that is holding it on, you would probably destroy the throttle butterfly arm. So, one uses a Dremel tool to grind it off, which creates brass dust that is probably not conducive to carburetor operation. You are instructed to remove the idle screw, which is useless for R/C use, as the servo setting controls idling. The real problem is the idle screw mounting tab on the carb. It is in the way, even though the instructions tell you to put the plate back after installing the arm. Again, one is smart to use the Dremel to remove this mounting tab, only after removing it from the carb. If anyone from Zenoah reads this, please increase the price of the engines a couple of bucks and supply the carb with the throttle arm mounted and the extraneous weed-whacker bits removed. I didn't mind doing it on the first couple of engines, but the on the twelfth it starts to get a little old.

Sorry to dwell on something so trivial, as we are all still in mourning over Mike's plane.

Reg Mason

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/23/2004 5:57:45 AM   
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OH NO
That was the first words out of Mike's mouth after his plane hit the ground. I am the guy he speaks of going with him
to video tape all the flights. I own "Hanger Der Fisher" as we call it. It was the worst moment we have had in RC flying
in 20 years. Michael has the patients of a cat with new pilots. Without him my helicopter would have been totaled more
then once. Mike has been teaching new pilots to fly using the buddy box method without charging a dime. Using his own
equipment most of the time. He really enjoys putting young kids on the sticks just to see how excited they are after they
make level flight and a corner or two. They go back to school and home telling all there friends and the next evening
there will be a couple new kids and grandpas or fathers to give it a try. Michael started a club not far from here years
ago that is more then 30+ members strong today. I've known Michael for over 20 years and the first time we met he
said "Ever see a remote plane fly?". The next day I watched as he pulled his new Tweedy Bird of the runway for the first
time since it was built. It went straight up, unfortunately a bigger version of that plane, the Dirty Bird I think, was making
a fast pass and went right through him. I felt bad for Michael that day but not as bad as I did Sunday. I watched him build
this plane from start to finish and I know how much work and money went into it.
I also know that money is tight for Michael right now and I will be contributing some cash to help him get a new kit. If anyone else
would like to help Michael get back in the air just e-mail me with SFK as the subject and I will send you his Paypal account. The plane
was a total loss and the engine will cost about 600.00 dollars to repair.
I want to see more pilots in my area and he is our only hope.
Thanks, Troy.

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/23/2004 7:51:13 AM   
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Hey fellas,
Well I have done some serious soul searching. I have considered all my previous plans for the ill fated AgScout. I have put the whole "UA" idea on the back burner. At the moment the cost outweighs the benefits. And I'm not just speaking of my position.

In the August 2004 issue of MA there is an article by Dave Brown the AMA President. Regarding commercial model aircraft "UA" operations. The intent of using the SFK to video farm fields would cause the use of the craft to fall under FAA regulations. This is in direct conflict with the mission statement of the AMA. As a fellow member of this fantastic and often underrated sport, I do not want to become an example for stiffer regulation of aeromodeling.

A recent visit to Muncie Indiana, at the AMA homecoming, I marveled at what the AMA has done for us. The large and expansive facility was breath taking. I actually felt like I was a part of the big picture. Even though I was, in my mind "just a member". It was a wonderful feeling to gather with others like me who wanted to come and fly and just enjoy the day at the AMA homecoming. As I watched everyone, and looked at the wide range of pilots and aircraft. I realized many were families of rc flyers. Friends from different states traveling miles upon miles to share a beautiful day of sport flying. Old friends crossing paths once again at a homecoming of unique individuals. A gathering of talent from not only the US but from around the world also. Craftsmanship, talent, and skill matching that of the full sized aircraft industry. Yet on a smaller scale and more open to public involvement. And the museum is something to be seen. It's a testament to our sport, to the ingenuity of many upon many modelers before us. If you have never been there I highly recommend making the trip. They have something to offer everyone. Rockets, control line, free flight, even a designated Kite flying area... go figure. It's a wonderful place and a great organization.

With my trusty Sony in hand I videoed many fantastic pilots and many astounding planes. In particular one flyer caught my eye. A father and two sons (I would imagine) taxied their matching P-51's to the runway. In formation. The first Mustang made a daring roll across the runway only to sputter and die well short of liftoff. The second Mustang rolled slowly at first, then gathering speed, the tail came up, and finally the mains released the craft from the runway. As it did, the gear folded up with scale realism and the P-51 rolled off into the blue awaiting his wingman. As the third Mustang began it's rollout it nosed over and scratched it's way across the asphalt into the grass leaving it tail up with no joy. The lone P-51 howled through the sky with precision and grace. Perfectly planed low passes down the runway slightly banked and only a couple of feet off the ground. With military grace. I was very impressed with this pilots disciplined flight routine. As I panned my camera back to the pilot stations I noticed a small pair of tennis shoes and a young boy looking up to the sky, casually, with transmitter in hand. He couldn't have been very old, cause he was very short. I thought to myself. This young man has a bright future ahead of him, it shows in his flying abilities. He was in the zone and ripping through the sky the way a P-51 was designed to do. With grace and precision. It was a beautiful site. And he was an amazing young man. How cool is that ?

We enjoy this sport because it allows us to pilot aircraft of our own making and allows us a release from the bounds of earth, Frees us from the stress's of daily life. It puts us "A Cut Above" as they say. To accomplish flight in virtually any craft of any design. With skill learned from seasoned flyers. Veterans of the sport passing on the tradition of aeromodeling. The friendships made. The countless goals and ambitions are born from this sport. It inspires the imagination, young and old. It inspires our minds to look beyond the normal envelope of life. This sport brings people together, near and far. This sport has shown me that friends not only found at the local field, or a field of invitation, but also in online forum's such as this one. The sharing of information, ideas, and excitement. And at times the sharing of loss.

At the crash site of my SFK I saw many faces of youngsters, not smiling, not laughing, yet pitching in to help pick up the pieces and offer a cheerful word. And many of the people who would watched from a distance as we fly, come to help also. And even though I was disappointed in the days events, I saw that my sport, My fun in the sun, would be missed. Not so much by me as it would be by them. And during the whole event I felt no anger, no rage, just sadness because I know I not only disappointed myself, I disappointed them.

I'm proud to be a an American and and proud to be an AMA member. I am proud to be a part of this forum and consider you guys as friends. Your comments, your concern, and your kind words are appreciated greatly. The new SFK will be used to promote the hobby to those who would not otherwise have the chance to. Each time I go to my local field there is always a small crowd of spectators. Mostly youngsters. What better way to enjoy an afternoon, than to share an experience I have come to love, with others.

My hat is off to all of you, You have brought me to my senses (unknowingly) and shown me that I can make a difference just by enjoying the sport as it was meant to be enjoyed. By sharing it with others because It's what, as modelers, we do just for the fun of it.

Take a kid to the field with you next time you go.
Offer a spectator a moment in the sky.
You won't be dissapointed.
You might even change their life.

This world needs more folks like you.
Thank you all.
Michael


Reg,
Climb out of your space ship.
We need you here.

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/23/2004 9:25:19 AM   
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Michael,
I have never read something before that so articulately and succinctly put into words why I love this hobby. I think you should share them with the rest of the AMA membership, perhaps as a letter to the editor of Model Aviation.

Reg Mason

PS: I was so moved by it, that I decided to "quit my ****in'". I drilled and tapped the throttle arms and made the necessary mods to the carbs. The G38s are now ready for some run-in time.

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 6/28/2004 1:57:39 AM   
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Reg,
Feel free to forward my post on if you wish. It basically summed up my feelings at the time. And allowed me to have a bit of closure to the incident. Also you need continue on at your own pace with your SFK. I'm sure from reading your post and seeing your pic's yours will be a masterpiece. And well worth the wait. Haste makes waste... and in the case of the SFK that's allot of waste.


Troy,
Very nice gesture, I'm appreciative and thankful for your efforts and plea's , but I'm sure most will agree, each time we power on our craft we know the inherent risk's involved. And the pleasures, As I watched you today with your heli, I knew I had passed on to you the pride and confidence of accomplishing what you once thought you couldn't. Your in the groove and your confidance is showing in your flights. Great Job.

And thanks for stirring up old memories.

The "TweetyBird / DirtyBird" incident he speaks of actually happened. It was my first maiden voyage with my new pride n joy. I built a "TB" because my mentor and instructor David Holtfelter had the "DB" as his fleet Flagship. He spent countless hours with me. And never once made me feel I was imposing. And I always enjoyed watching him fly even if I couldn't. I just want to carry on his kindness to others.

My parents were just pulling up to the field when the mishap occurred. The "TB" was all clean and shinny, I was very anxious to get it the air and enjoy the day. A bit further down the runway was my hero, David, Standing and talking to a spectator interested in the sport of flying. I heard him fire his BadBoy up, and even given that this was the year 1978 we had our "BadBoy" aircraft I assure you. He happened to have the best of the best out this day. His sleek all fiberglass work of art, The Bridi Dirty Birdy. And following procedure, he announced his Taxi to the runway. I heard the whine of his Rossi fuel monger and watched as he lifted off from the grass strip as if it was asphalt. Pulling the gear in as it assended to the wild blue. Picking up speed like most turbines do today, he rocketed out of sight. He was ready to "Wring it out" and put on a show for the spectators, and he always wowed the crowd. A "TopGun" if you will.

I finished fueling my "TB" and picked up my Freq Pin with pride. Walking in the pits, smiling and looking up. It was going to be a great day. The sky was blue and clouds were large and scattered just right. Transmitter on, Receiver on (RangeCheck already performed earlier), Control surface check, Engine check, airframe check, C/G Check. All looks good. I could not wait another min. Attach the glow battery, (one of those big ole Eveready with the cat on the side). Grab the chicken stick and give it a couple of quick flips. It's sputtered at first then cleaned out nicely. My K&B .19 was purring like a bee. With little needle adjustment I was ready to go. I announced my Taxi roll and headed to the to the runway.

Poising my craft at the end of the strip and a quick check of the sky I poured the coals to her and began my journey. Making a long takeoff roll it lifted of beautifully all looks good and I proceeded to go vertical. 3 seconds later. POOF ! In a flash of white covering and bits departing the last know position of the craft, an eerie quite set upon the field. Two craft were airborne and now one lone craft sails at great speed beyond the point of impact. Silently. It was the "DB" it had survived, for now. The "TweetyBird" was confetti and fell quietly into the surrounding cornfield.

Being the seasoned pilot he was David was making a high speed pass down the field to demonstrate to the visitor what these craft are capable of. As he entered his run the spectator asked. "Do you ever crash in the sky?". David remarked his answer was something to the effect. It's not a common occurrence.......... DOH . As his plane entered my plane at the wing saddle. Slicing through effortlessly. With no prop and at about 200 feet he calmly rolled inverted and looped back downwind, right down the middle of the field. S C R E E M I N G by silently the "DB" passed the flightline and proceeded downfield as if still had power. Taking out 5 rows of corn at the end of the field. (Our field was a Full-size grass strip).


Needless to say the crowed was certainly Wowed.


I have continued to enjoy this hobby since that day.
Good and Bad.


Michael

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 7/3/2004 8:57:30 PM   
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Michael,
Have you thought about building the regular size Flying King? After reading and seeing your pictures, my friend (who has become my building partner now) and I, decided to build the regular size version. This time he builds the tail and fuse and I get the wings and flaps. We both probably would feel more comfortable experimenting with different stuff on the smaller version anyway. If you do this, it will cost a whole lot less $, take a lot less time and the kids probably wont care if its 7 feet or 11 feet. They will just be happy and thrilled that you let them fly something. What you are doing with sharing our hobby is what it is all about. My guess is that you wouldnt have changed a thing, dont have any regrets, and are very content.
Sincerely,
Bob

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 7/7/2004 1:07:25 PM   
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Hi Bob,
Thought about it...... NOPE I'm gonna build the BIG one again!
Might try and talk Bruce into converting it to bipe. Another set of joiners mounted low in the fuse might do the trick . umm my wheels are turning.
While I'm happy with the plane. I'm always lookin for new excitement.
Time isn't a concern. I built it in two months, and loved every min of it.

I'll be back in the air. And this time I'll remember to charge my darn batteries.

Thanks
Michael

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RE: Super Flying King twin-engined version - 7/27/2004 5:28:28 AM   
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Michael, have you started on a new SFK? It will be a great day to hear that you are flying your new SFK!!! Besides Bruce, you probably have the most experience now with this model. Reg, how is the Twin coming. We haven't forgotten about you!

The regular size Flyin King has been a blast to build. It does look small with the giant SFK sitting idle behind me. But once all the wing panels were joined together, it looks like this might be the new favorite for ease of setup. (2 bolts) Covering will be identical to the Sky King since they certainly are related. The group picture will be coming soon.
Bob

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