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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/1/2004 4:40:58 PM   
Fly Fort



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Hi Michael,

Are you gonna work with 2 receivers to operate al your servo's or are you gonna link your top turret with your rudder????

I must wait till the end of may to receive my landinggear


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/1/2004 6:45:49 PM   
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Whould I be a crazy old man by the time I was finished covering the whole plane with lithoplate and making each panelline out of overlapping lithoplate...That would be a bit much..Huh? The radio ,I think is going to be the Futaba 9 channel with the 9 channel PCM reciever..I am still setting this all up,But i think it would be good to have all the turrets tyied together on one channel on then the co pilot ( my wife) could operate those while the transmitter is in my hands... I am not sure yet on all this..I am hearing this grinding in my head right now...This thinking is hard! LOL Michael


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/2/2004 3:26:19 AM   
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Now Howard,when you look at these pictures..Try not to drool all over your keyboard..LOL..Just some more work to show ya..Michael

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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/3/2004 11:00:23 AM   
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Hello Mike,

Just received your cd.

It's looking very well and for all those who want to build the B-17, I recommend your pictures.

Thanks a lot


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/3/2004 1:25:54 PM   
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Hello Mike,

Again I have a question for you

I'm trying to build the nacelles, but when you take a good look at sheet 2 (wingsection) you see that the ribs for the nacelles are the same dimension as the planking (hope you understand).

Which dimensions did you use. The one on sheet 2 or sheet 3???

For me it's obvious that you follow sheet 3, not???

I would like to know if Don Smith had one build by himself!!!!!!!


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/4/2004 2:45:51 AM   
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Michael..The ribs for the nacelles are part numbers N1 thru N12 which are drawn on the top of page 3, I made them out of 1/8th 5 ply aircraft plywood..The same goes for the 4 spines...The outside of the nacelles,The round barrell part is made of 1/8th balsa..Is this what you are asking?Follow page 3 is the right thing to do The wing plan ,page 2 is a bit confusing..Show me a photo if you can of what you mean if this does not answer your question.. Michael


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/8/2004 4:44:36 AM   
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Hey there everyone..Fly fort ...how is the build going?? You have not posted any pictures lately..Anything new? I was thinking of building the stab next but the idea of building it the way it is on the plan seems to be a bit of a hassel..So I am trying to redraw the stab using a program called compufoil...www.compufoil.com excellent program..A bit of a learning curve but the program has a huge help section...But it can only do so much so you can creat a DXF file and import it to a autocad program..Still working on it but here is a bit of the work..Michael

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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/8/2004 8:39:41 PM   
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Hello Mike,

I had a busy working week, so I couldn't build much further.
Last weekend I glued the 2 halfs of the wing together and now I'm waiting for the landing gear to see that I don't make any mistakes.
They promised the landinggear for the end of may, but now they told I must wait 2 months longer .

So i could save some money till then

That's the problem when you live in Europe. The building market isn't here so great as in the USA. Lots of fields must close for the noice of the engines. Turbines aren't allowed in most of the clubs and I hope I will find some club where I can fly with my B-17.

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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/8/2004 9:32:30 PM   
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That is to bad about the landing gear..I had to wait a long while ..It was close to three months also..I hope you find a field as that airplane would be a shame if all it was is a hanger queen with no where to fly..Did you also order the tail wheel landing gear? I got mine when the mains were finally delivered..It is the same gear as the Top flight giant P-51 tail wheel gear..Michael


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/10/2004 5:44:46 AM   
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Hey there Flydoc..If you are out there watching this thread..A question for you on your wing design...Didn't you make the wing seperate between the two engines on each side for transportation reasons..?Did you ever give thought to making the wings seperate at the root as the real plane did?I don't know..I was thinking of redoing the wing again to do this..What do you think? Also as you probable noticed,I sweat the details alot... The real airplne used a root naca # of 0018 and a tip of 0010,but the DS b-17 is a cambered wing of unknown size..I wrote to Don on e-mail with no reply yet..I am not much on flight areodinamics but a model of a real plane should have the same wing design ,shouldn't it? Michael


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/10/2004 4:53:43 PM   
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Hi Mike,

Yes, I did redesign the wing to separate between the inboard and outboard nacelles to allow the plane to fit into my minivan. The modification also allows the b-17 to be hangared and transported on its wheels, and allows for easy assembly at the flying field.

Your idea regarding scale type wing attachment to the fuselage at the wing root is an interesting one, but not too practical, I think. It would require essentially scraping all the excellent work you have done thus far, and redesigning the fuselage completely to carry the load imposed by the wings. Remember the full scale B-17 was designed with the bomb bay at the cg of the plane. A spar carry through would have prevented the bomb bay volume from being adequate, so the fuselage bulkheads were designed to carry the load. In the case of the model, the fuselage is not designed to take on any flight loads except what is necessary to keep the tail and wing in a constant aerodynamic relationship.

The wing would also have to be rebuilt. Keep in mind that the wings of a full scale '17 were removed only on very rare occasions, while the model's wings would be removed frequently, so that any fittings you fabricated to allow the wings to attach as per prototype would have to stand up to repeated dis and re assembly, and not become worn or damaged in the process.

As far as the scale airfoil goes: the choice of an appropriate airfoil for a given airframe is dependent on a myriad of factors. Suffice it to say that the speed, weight and altitude that the full scale B-17 operated at is substantially different then those of the model's, to say nothing of the effect of Reynolds numbers on a 1/9th scale model vs a full size plane. I assume the airfoil Don Smith chose on his B-17 plans provide docile flying characteristics without grossly deviating from a scale appearance.

Keep 'em flying,

Howard

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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/12/2004 1:17:42 AM   
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You have some sound advice there Howard..Thank you..I should get back to work and stop worrying about this stuff..Michael


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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/20/2004 1:47:04 AM   
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Well there everyone...I just got my Glennis wheels...Nice stuff...Here are a couple of pictures...Michael

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RE: "DON SMITH " B-17'S? - 5/20/2004 7:48:19 AM