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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 3:57:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bought a used Raptor with a Century Bell 222 fuse. I did two flights and both almost ended in a crash. I am convinced the servos are the problem. It has Futaba 3003 servos which I am told are real cheapies. I own two pod and boom Rappies and both have JR 8231 servos which I like.

Any suggestions? Should I use JR 8231's or Futaba 9353's. Anything out there slightly cheaper that would work well? I don't like ultra cheap stuff, usually it costs you more in the long run.

Gary
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Gary - 5/20/2002 4:05:14 AM   
=XGC= OzZ



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They are good servos. Sorry to here about the crash.


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Re: Gary - 5/20/2002 7:17:08 PM   
gquiring



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZG77_OzZ
9202.
Sorry to here about the crash. [/QUOTE]

What crash?

Gary

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 7:54:58 PM   
Ergo60



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Status: offline 		Futaba 9202's have held up really well in my Ergo 60. They cost around 50.00 each.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 8:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		why do you think the servos are responsible for the "almost" crash? either they work or they don't (fail). i flew for years with 3001 which have the same torque and speed than the 3003. i know of guys which fly with 148 in their raptors. i do not recommend it though.
i use JR servos and have a really strong one for pitch (110oz) and decent ones at the rest of the swashplate (90oz)


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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 9:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by flmgrip
why do you think the servos are responsible for the "almost" crash? [/QUOTE]

I can stop the swashplate with my pinky for one. I can't stop the swash on my other heli's when I put some pressure on them. These 3003 servos have no torque.

I know how to fly, been doing it for years. I can't fly this ship, so it must have to do with the servos. I used to fly a 222 Junior 50, it was a lead tank and it flew fine. This 222 just has no feel. Hard to explain, but I never flew with cheap servos before. I am not familiar with Futaba servos, I assumed they were ok, but after looking them up, I think I found my problem.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 9:52:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you sure the problem is with the servos and not pilot error? Do you have much flying experience beyond a Raptor? I understand scale helis can be a handful. Maybe you should find someone with more experience in your area to check the heli over and help get you started. I know some people in the area who might be able to get you pointed in the right direction.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 9:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		" I did two flights and both almost ended in a crash"

Why did you fly it a second time that sounds very unsafe? Is the battery good, is it supplying enough current to the servos? How about the ball links are then tight or nice and smooth? When I started out fly I used 148 in a 30 size machine with success.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 9:58:35 PM   
flmgrip



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Status: offline 		with all respect, after doing it for years you should know what servos to use, kinda common sense if you know about rc-helis ...
and like the other guy said, why did you take it up a second time after having problems the first time...


[QUOTE]Originally posted by gquiring


I know how to fly, been doing it for years. I can't fly this ship, so it must have to do with the servos. I used to fly a 222 Junior 50, it was a lead tank and it flew fine. This 222 just has no feel. Hard to explain, but I never flew with cheap servos before. I am not familiar with Futaba servos, I assumed they were ok, but after looking them up, I think I found my problem. [/QUOTE]


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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:06:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would have someone else check out how it's flying before running out to by servos you may or may not need. What's you skill level if you don't mind me asking? If I owned that heli the only servo's a would use would be a Futaba 9202 or whatever is equivalent to that in a JR. A scale heli will tend to be a bit heavier and more susceptible to wind, thus it will req's more stick work to maintain a steady hover.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a vid of gquiring troubled machine-
http://emco4.emcosales.com/bell222/Bell222-liftoff.WMV

can somone say blades stalling.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:28:08 PM   
David B



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Status: offline 		Before people get the wrong idea, Gary has been flying helis since they were steam powered (ok mid 70's). He's a very good, and very safe flier. The heli was flown, adjusted, and flown again. He's just looking for some good recommendations for servos that are high torque & reasonably priced. I was just having fun with him.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:30:23 PM   
gquiring



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3-d expert
" I did two flights and both almost ended in a crash"

Why did you fly it a second time that sounds very unsafe? Is the battery good, is it supplying enough current to the servos? How about the ball links are then tight or nice and smooth? When I started out fly I used 148 in a 30 size machine with success. [/QUOTE]

Guys, let's stick to the question at hand - servos. I am tired of these remarks when you ALL don't know the details. I did not fly the heli twice in one day. I went home made some changes and tried again on the next day.

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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:32:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was born in the mid 70's and i probably know every single servo on the market and if not i know where to look up the specs... and if he is a safe flier he should have not flown if the swashplate is movable while the tx/rx is on...
peace...


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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:36:25 PM   
flmgrip



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Status: offline 		if you are tired of it... then post the details... or do your own research on the manufactures sites...

pitch jr 4721
cyclic/throttle jr 4735
tail 8700G

there you go...


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Servo Recommendations - 5/20/2002 10:40:19 PM   
gquiring



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by David B
Before people get the wrong idea, Gary has been flying helis since they were steam powered (ok mid 70's). He's a very good, and very safe flier. The heli was flown, adjusted, and flown again. He's just looking for some good recommendations for servos that are high torque & reasonably priced. I was just having fun with him. [/QUOTE]Damm I should have known it was you Dave, I did not look at your location, I thought you were another as*h***.

The new DS811's are still not available. It's too bad as their price is around $40. I ordered the 8231's which were $70 each. It's a pricey servo, but considering my other heli's have them, I know they are very reliable.

And for the other comments 'I should know what to use', I am would like to know if YOU think you know EVERYTHING about servos. It's always nice to ask, something new might be learned.

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