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42% Ultimate Set-up - 1/2/2004 2:53:08 PM   
Blow n Go


 

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Joined: 9/10/2003
From: Granbury, TX, USA
Status: offline 		Hey Chip,
Thanks for setting up this forum for us rank and file guys! I've got a few hundred flights on your 42%, and there are a couple set-up problems I haven't been able to figure out.

First, the plane needs high-rate aileron to snap, but that amount is too sensitive for normal rolling maneuvers. The IMAC profile requires several snaps followed by rolls, or vice versa. The problem is there is no time to flip a dual rate switch between manuevers. I ended up flying in high rate aileron and used gobs of expo. Of course, most of my rolls are over controlled using this set-up. How did you set yours up and fly these maneuvers?

Second, I'm collecting a load of "goose eggs" on my snaps. The judges last year had it out for the "nose break" during snaps. The problem here is the plane is a whole different beast power on verses power off. If I set the elevator low for up-line snaps, the nose will not break on the down line snaps when the power is off.......so the down line snaps get zeroed. If I set the elevator higher so the down line snaps get a good nose break, the up lines wallow out of control and the airspeed drops to nothing. I've come up with an elevator to elevator mix that turns on at low power settings. That works, but thought you might have a less complicated fix to the problem.

Thanks for the help! CJ

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RE: 42% Ultimate Set-up - 1/3/2004 9:08:39 AM   
Passport1


 

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From: Sierra Vista, AZ, USA
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blow n Go

Hey Chip,
Thanks for setting up this forum for us rank and file guys! I've got a few hundred flights on your 42%, and there are a couple set-up problems I haven't been able to figure out.

First, the plane needs high-rate aileron to snap, but that amount is too sensitive for normal rolling maneuvers. The IMAC profile requires several snaps followed by rolls, or vice versa. The problem is there is no time to flip a dual rate switch between manuevers. I ended up flying in high rate aileron and used gobs of expo. Of course, most of my rolls are over controlled using this set-up. How did you set yours up and fly these maneuvers?

Second, I'm collecting a load of "goose eggs" on my snaps. The judges last year had it out for the "nose break" during snaps. The problem here is the plane is a whole different beast power on verses power off. If I set the elevator low for up-line snaps, the nose will not break on the down line snaps when the power is off.......so the down line snaps get zeroed. If I set the elevator higher so the down line snaps get a good nose break, the up lines wallow out of control and the airspeed drops to nothing. I've come up with an elevator to elevator mix that turns on at low power settings. That works, but thought you might have a less complicated fix to the problem.

Thanks for the help! CJ

You should not need all that aileron to do the snaps unless you are tail heavy or using way to much elevator and rudder. Either one will cause it to get really deep in the snaps. The only time I use high rate ail is in the positive vertical snaps, and then that is strickley a combo of ail, pump the elev, and a little rudd. It does not matter what input it takes to make it look like it did the correct snap, and it is very common nowdays to just pump the elev. and then use Ail. and rudd for the positive snaps with any plane. Or, you can start the snap with all three controls, but immediately start coming out of the elev. and finish with ail. and rudd. As for the negative snaps its pretty honest if you just put the sticks in the corners for the entry, and then imediately start to come out of the elev.

The airplanes I have all flown take exactley the same input to do a down line 1 3/4 positive snap as they do in a upline 1 3/4 positve snap. You should only have 1 elevator rate for the ultimate with the exception of your 3d rate for free stlye or spin entries. It should be set up to feel nice and responsive throughout inside and outside loops and once that is done the only time you use the elev during a snap is in the very beginning, if at all. I can make the nose break in a veritcal snap by just using rudd and ail. and it still loos very much like a snap roll. I told Fred Johnson about this as he was flying one of my planes and when he finally stopped using the elev. it started to break and snap perfectly.

As for not having time to flip rate switches during the IMAC pattern. I flew that sequence a couple of hundred times and even though in the beginning I thought it was a little busy, I was able to change rates with the Extra, but always thought this would be much simpliar with the Ulitimate.

Where is your dual rate ail switch located? I have moved mine to the top right hand short switch as it is also 3 position , and my finger rests between it and the tall switch. This has made a big difference in being able to change rates whenever I want without seeing any movement at the airplane. If you have a radio does not offer these type of options then you are going to have to assign your flight condition to the stick, and then make it so it will only come on when your ail or elev stick is moved all the way to the stop. It is called stick position and it works very well. Its a lot of work to set up, but it allows you to just put the sticks in the corner for any snap and it will look pretty good.

Let me know how you make out

Chip

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RE: 42% Ultimate Set-up - 1/3/2004 2:34:16 PM   
Blow n Go


 

Posts: 205
Joined: 9/10/2003
From: Granbury, TX, USA
Status: offline 		I'll try to break my old habits and see if I can use your technique to get decent snaps on low aileron. That would solve my trouble with overcontrol. I am on the tail heavy side, so that may be a big factor too.
While we're on the topic of CG - I've got it as far forward as possible before adding weight to the nose. I noticed on the videos that you cored a bunch of holes through your tail surfaces. Would you recommend this to help move the CG forward, or is adding nose weight the better option? The boys at AW say not to drill the holes, but it sure is tempting........
I'm using the 9Z, so I'll play with moving the rate switch up.
Well, you gave me a lot to work on..........better get started!

Thanks again - CJ

PS - I've been talking to your Father quite a bit lately while setting up his soft mounts. He is really a great guy and has also been a big help.

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RE: 42% Ultimate Set-up - 1/4/2004 1:56:47 AM   
Passport1


 

Posts: 719
Joined: 12/7/2002
From: Sierra Vista, AZ, USA
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blow n Go

I'll try to break my old habits and see if I can use your technique to get decent snaps on low aileron. That would solve my trouble with overcontrol. I am on the tail heavy side, so that may be a big factor too.
While we're on the topic of CG - I've got it as far forward as possible before adding weight to the nose. I noticed on the videos that you cored a bunch of holes through your tail surfaces. Would you recommend this to help move the CG forward, or is adding nose weight the better option? The boys at AW say not to drill the holes, but it sure is tempting........
I'm using the 9Z, so I'll play with moving the rate switch up.
Well, you gave me a lot to work on..........better get started!

Thanks again - CJ

PS - I've been talking to your Father quite a bit lately while setting up his soft mounts. He is really a great guy and has also been a big help.

I am so glad to hear your a little tail heavy, that explanes just about everything. I have had several people go in and do the lighting holes, as I feel it is absolutely a must to get the C.G. in the correct spot with a 150. I also use a 6 inch tru turn spinner with the backplate solid for the pattern stuff and then put on a lightened one for the free. The AW Ultimate is a great flying plane but it has to be balanced in order to show its true potential. I have a drawing I made for another person, that shows the holes and there approx. location. I will send it to you if you would like.]
You will see a signifigant difference, and if you get really motivated, do the ail. as well. The lighter the wings, the faster it will start and stop for you in the snapping manuevers.

Good luck

Chip

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RE: 42% Ultimate Set-up - 1/4/2004 2:17:24 PM   
Blow n Go


 

Posts: 205
Joined: 9/10/2003
From: Granbury, TX, USA
Status: offline 		Hey, I'd love the picture if it's not too much trouble. cjdurant@aol.com

Thanks - CJ

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