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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 6:11:53 PM   
jwreffner



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Status: offline 		Bob,
I've heard mention of a hatch around that area as well but haven't been able to find any documentation regarding it's placement or how it's designed. If I'm not mistaken, the zipper in the back was originally for storage so I'm not sure what the hatch's purpose was??? Anyone want to chime in? All the pics on the internet I haven't seen a hatch and the zipper is obviously more visible so seeing has how my wire's already run and my switch/charge and remote head lock are already installed, I think I'll stick w/ the zipper

While we're on the subject, does anyone have any info on the hatch?

Jay

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 6:15:13 PM   
BobH


 

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Status: offline 		Jay, I did a google image search.. here's a picture showing the hatch. Its a panel right behind the cockpit..

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 7:20:17 PM   
The PIPE



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Status: offline 		Dear Big Bird:

The PIPE here again...hope YOU had a nice Thanksgiving this year...!

I've an update of sorts on the search for scale STRUCTURAL info for the Jungmeister...Alex Gohl, from the Bücker Museum in Germany, CAME THROUGH NICELY after Jens and I got in touch with him...some pages that Alex Gohl sent to me, from a 1930s era German FLUGSPORT magazine had Bücker factory provided fuselage structural images in there, but I can't actually SHARE those EXACT images with anyone, since the Bücker Museum site at http://www.buecker-museum.de/ DOES own the copyright on those!

However, when I start building the Dave Platt plans-based Giant Scale ABBABIPE Jungmeister sometime in the future, and I will have done up a set of NEW CAD scale fuselage structural drawings here at home, for my 1/4th scale Jungmeister based on those illustrations, the CAD drawings for the model plans will be MY exclusive creative work, and therefore THOSE will NOT be subject to any form of copyright from the Bücker Museum site...!

There WAS another photo here from RCU that I've saved to my hard disk, that DOES show about the entire "bare bones fuse" of a Jungmeister under restoration...that will also be used to create my own original CAD drawings of the scale fuselage structure for my upcoming Giant Scale ABBABIPE Jungmeister project.

And an update to JENS KLANK's website to report, too... ...Jens now has a "Best Of" page, at http://www.biplanes.de/flugzeugindex.htm , to help antique aviation enthusiasts (AND us RCers) find NUMEROUS photos of favorite antique aircraft photos at his biplanes.de site...the Jungmeister is covered with THREE pages from German fullscale airshows from 2003 that Jens has shot, and those pages DO include some nice Jungmeister photos...!

Right NOW I'm heavily involved in drawing up the CAD plans for my FIRST WW I Giant Scale aircraft project, the Bristol Scout C of Lanoe Hawker, here at home...but the Giant Scale ABBABIPE Jungmeister is going to be the NEXT one I'll be getting to (for the scale structural drawings for THAT one) with DesignCAD 3000 to "correct" the fuselage structure on the Dave Platt plans to match the full scale layout...but I thought I'd let you know I HAVE had some nice help from a German antique aviation website's Webmaster in getting those illustrations that WILL be helping me do up the CAD drawings for that future project...!

Season's Greetings and
Yours Sincerely,

The PIPE!

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 7:57:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jay, I am pretty sure the zipper is for access to the elevator linkage, as it is about this point that they change from pull pull cables to a pushrod for the final link to the elevator. The luggage hatch is is on the port side behind the cockpit, to the next rear former. It is hinged at the top, just below the fairing, and extends down to the top fuselage longeron. I have a 30% Jungmeister powered by a Zenoah 62, it weighs 22lb. Flies great at this weight, is yours the same size?

Ian.

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 8:35:27 PM   
Big_Bird



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Status: online 		Hi David, I enjoyed the German sites but get frustrated since I can't read German. Good luck on your CAD drawings.

Jay, The zippers were used to access the tail wheel lock. Essentially, the translation of the warning above the zippers says to disengage the tail wheel before moving the plane back-wards. It needed to swivel or else something mechanical could break.

You will be able to see the luggage hatch from these photos.

Ian, do you have any photos of your plane that you can share with us?

Ken

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/28/2004 10:35:30 PM   
jwreffner



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No it's not the 30%, it's 25%...

Gee thanks everyone on the hatch stuff! I feel like a moron

...now back down to the basement...build...build...build...

Jay

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 3:06:39 AM   
Big_Bird



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Status: online 		Too windy and cold yesterday to fly. When I was building my Jungie, I was in such a rush to get it ready for the flying season that I skipped putting the hatch cover on the left side. When you guys started talking about the hatch I started feeling guilty so today I put it together. No, it doesn't open.

Ken

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 3:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Biggie.. your plane looks good! That hatch is a perfect place for the switch and glo connector don't ya think?

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 4:10:24 AM   
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Status: online 		Bob, I think that a functional hatch would be a good place for the glow and charge connector on Jay's plane. Another place would be below the dash and recessed a little so as not to be too obvious. Another place would be on the bottom of the fuselage. Behind the zippers would not be too good. I don't like wires running in the vicinity of the antenna.

Ken

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 8:33:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are a couple of pics of my Jungmeister, in its original colour scheme. I am in the process of renovating it, recovering it in Alex Papana colours YR-PAX. Does anyone have any photo's of this machine? This is not the example that is with Kermit Weeks, although he has finished his in a similar but not the same scheme. I have also re-engined it with a Zenoah 80 twin, as this motor sounds much sweeter in this model, as it flies at lower throttle settings.

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 9:24:59 PM   
Big_Bird



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Status: online 		Ian, that's a good looking Jungie. I asked a good friend to see if he has photos of YR-PAX. Will let you know. Here is a photo of my 1st 33% Jungie.

Ken

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 10:13:23 PM   
jwreffner



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Status: offline 		Ken,
Do you feel it would cause interference? Have you had any experience/issues with it in the past?

Thanks,
Jay

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RE: Gary Allen 33% Bücker Jungmeister - 11/30/2004 10:42:20 PM   
Big_Bird



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Status: online 		Jay, I have always made it a practice to keep the antenna as far away from wires and metal objects to help prevent interference. On my Jungie I run the antenna up the back of the former behind pilot's seat and down the inside top of the fuselage toward the tail. No, I'm not saying that running glow plug wires to the back of the plane will cause interference. I just like to be on the cautious side. Be sure to do range checks with the engine off and running.

Ken

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