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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/29/2006 10:02 PM

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I am gathering that you are saying, the Spectra type unit INCLUDES the receiver that will mount on the plane itself.

No, just the link you provided leads to a combo with RX and I was commenting on it.

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The one that says channel Module is the SAME as the spectra one without the bundled receiver?

No. The Optic6 TX case has a socket on its back. The Spectra Module is the black case thing that gets plugged in this socket (see the attached picture). It has some dials with which you select the channel. The channel Module is a black case thing that houses the circuitry (I assume a crystal and carrier oscillator) for just one channel.

Since these modules are removable and compatible with each other, you can swap them in and out all you want.

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This link:
http://www.newcreations-rc.com/ProductList.aspx?Categoryid=51&selection=product&displaytype=I&catlevel=2
Shows 6 different items regarding the Optic 6 transmitter.

Sure, they offer several combinations at different prices.

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It seems a little odd that Servos would be bundled with the transmitter.
That seems a lot like if a tire store bundled head lights with tires.

They bundle the servos only if you select a "flight pack" combo.

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http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZW3**&P=7

That seems to include some servos a TX, an RX, and a couple batteries? Does this RX run on a separate battery?

This was the link I was referring to above. It comes with the TX and a cadillac of a RX. The TX needs the battery, of course. The RX will not, as it gets the power from the ESC (through the same wires that control the throttle).

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This
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZS6&P=7

looks like just a tx unit and I need to buy whatever receiver i want and a rx crystal.

That's exactely the one you want. Just the TX with spectra module and without an expensive RX. Get it and the GWS 6ch RX (negative shift, a.k.a. Futaba) and a crystal on the channel of your liking. Regarding which channel to pick (now that you can choose any), I can't provide an educated opinion. Maybe someone who's a member in a club can give a clue.

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This
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHCR7&P=7

looks like the tx, rx, one battery. looks to include the same stuff at the first link at tower above, except the servos AND the extra battery(whatever thats for). Does the first link at tower above include the crystal? It doesn't say it does, but it also doesn't say i need to buy a crystal as the third one does.

Skip this one. You just need a cheap RX and two servos.

Good luck with your order and don't forget to use the 15$ off and free S&H coupon!

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/29/2006 10:35 PM

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Also, on that battery link you sent me, that cpb750 battery. Is that an entire battery for 1.25?

At Cheap battery Packs, you click on the "Build a Custom Pack" or similar button on the left hand side. On the next page, you fill in the box of how many cells you want. Then you click the radio button of the cell that you want, you choose the wire thickness and your connector and the shape, and click the button on the bottom of the page. If you pick one of the JST connectors, you don't get to choose wire thickness; you get what comes with the connectors--22 gauge, I think.

I wouldn't get a 6 cell battery for the SS. I would get a 7 cell battery, one that is 8.4volts.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/29/2006 11:38 PM

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Time Pilot,

I didn't see a prebuilt 7 cell that used that CPB750 cell.

I am seeing now that you intended for me to spec out a custom built one.

I'll have to take another look at that.

I'm not sure if I know all the options that I need it to have.

It looks like from what you just told me, that since I will be picking the JST connector (I hope thats correct) that all I need to pick is the cell, number of cells, and the shape. What "shape" do I want? I was thinking something that resembled a likeness of my favorite football coach SOS. But that may be asking a lot from the battery guys.

Seriously, what Shape are we discussing?

Also, gigelus2k3, I'm pricing up my parts at Towerhobbies.

Here is what I'm looking at.

Hitec HS-55 Economy Sub Micro Servo (x3)- yes one extra in case I break one) $30.97 (3 pack discount, they are 14.00 for one)
GWS ICS 300 speed control FUTABA $9.69
GWS NARO RECEIVER 6 Channel /F $22.99
GWS FM 72 MHZ PICO dual conversion CRYSTAL CHANNEL xx $12.99 (I believe I'm correct that I'm needing the dual for this spectra unit?)
8.4 V 7Cell 750mAh NiMH Flat Pack (qty3) $46.50 (these from cheapbatteries.com)
GWS Slow Stick 300 ARF $31.99
Hitec Optic 6 w Spectra $159.99
Great Planes Electrifly AC Park Flyer Peak Charger charge range 200-800mah $29.99 (how fast will this charge? is their a better option that does 2 at a time?)
EP1180 GWS extra props qty6 $8.49
Extra gearbox $7.99

Ok, that whole deal comes up to about $364 before any coupons.

Thats a pretty good deal for what I'm getting I think.

I'm still looking for the separate gearbox housing, main gear, and prop shaft as I know I need to buy a few of those shafts and ones of each of the others.

If their are any further suggestions, please share, as I'm gonna get the order in probably late tonight or tomorrow AM before that coupon expires.

Thanks so much for all the help. I already know a good bit before I've gotten started.

**Is it worth it to pay 30 bucks for some cable to hook to my optic 6 tx to practice sim flying on my pc first? does this remote have that ability?

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 2:00 AM

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GWS FM 72 MHZ PICO dual conversion CRYSTAL CHANNEL xx $12.99 (I believe I'm correct that I'm needing the dual for this spectra unit?)

Ehhhh, this is not OK. The crystal type (single or dual conversion) must match the TX type. It has nothing to do with the TX. Since the GWS receiver is single conversion, you must pick a single conversion crystal. I saw earlier today that the Berg one is only 0.1$ more expensive than the GWS one. Take the Berg one. I'd say pick a channel in the high-side range (55 to 60).

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Ok, that whole deal comes up to about $364 before any coupons.

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That's quite more expensive than originally thought, but you're getting more battery packs and the good quality TX. Make sure you let cheapbatteries.com know that you need the JST female connector soldered on them. Otherwise you will need to do some soldering yourself.

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**Is it worth it to pay 30 bucks for some cable to hook to my optic 6 tx to practice sim flying on my pc first? does this remote have that ability?

The Optic6 has a DIN connector that can be used to interface with a flight simulator. It would be very, very, very useful if you would spend a few hours practicing flying in the simulator before you ever plug in the plane's battery. The slow-stick is, well, slow and very forgiving; if you get 2-3 hours of simulation before your first flight, I am certain that you will not crash the real thing, even at the maiden. It's the first few seconds after take-off that matter. If you crash the plane right away, there is very little that you learn from that flight. The simulator will help building the correlation between the plane's attitude and the stick movements you have to make to get the plane to do what you want.

I am using FMS (a reasonably good free flight simulator) and hook up my Optic6 with a home-made adapter (through the serial port). If you can't build electronic circuits, you need to buy the USB adapter (see this cable). It's expensive, but I am sure that using first the flight simulator you will not need to buy so many spare parts (props, gear boxes etc) so it's sort of paying itself.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 4:56 AM

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Thanks it is a bit more expensive. However, it seems I'm getting some good stuff.

As far as the crystal, I thought someone said I needed adual conversion for this optic 6 unit. I'm just switch the equivalent non dual type, and I'll look at the berg option. I understand they are better if the price is close, I'll grab it.

Also, I'll go ahead and likely get that sim cable if it'll save me some early repairs and parts.

Maybe I can do a couple separate orders and get the 15 bucks off on each, LOL.

So, it looks like otherwise all the pieces look good. I had switched out the servos, but these are the HS-55 you guys mentioned and they are also micro and were a pretty good price at 3 for 30 dollars. (14 for one).

As far as the receiver, I didn't see the "version" two of this receiver as the NRII thing was listed on ALLeRC. I guess tower doesn't carry it yet. This one should be fine though.

I saw those battery packs had the option for the JST connector, I think it was the male. I figured it was the correct type.
So, I need to let them know to put on a female connector huh? I'll mention it in my order. I just figured their default option would be standard to connect the battery to the ESC.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 6:39 AM

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Rhizzlebop,

OK, so you'll finally get the single-conversion crystal for your GWS 6ch RX. Good.

Regarding the battery, I do still have two 8.4V packs from the time I started with my SlowStick. One is GWS the other Sanyo. Both have the female connector, i.e. the connector that has two holes where the pins of the mating one will go. I guess that the connector with holes is the female one

Anyway, it always makes sense to put the female connectors on the battery; this way, you can't accidentally short it, as it could happen if the two pins (the JST) or the two plugs (the UltraDeans) would stick out.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 5:27 PM

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So, on my batteries, I want a "flat" pack where the cells line up side by side like soda cans in a narrow box? Obviously I have choices, I just don't wanna make mounting my battery more complicated than it needs to be.

Also, I don't see any Berg micro crystals on the tower site.

I see the GWS on tower and ALLeRC and both are 7 bucks.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 5:37 PM

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How can I figure out how fast these different chargers will charge the batteries and whats safe?

The electrifly charger I mentioned does 200 to 800 mah.

Their is an all in one Duratrax intellipeak unit on ALLeRC that does all three batteryt ypes and charges at 100mah to 8 A rate.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 11/30/2006 7:26 PM

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So, on my batteries, I want a "flat" pack where the cells line up side by side like soda cans in a narrow box? Obviously I have choices, I just don't wanna make mounting my battery more complicated than it needs to be.

In the SlowStick's case, don't worry about how to mount the battery, any method will do, including using just a rubber band. The stick fuse has lots of room to attach all sort of things to it, that's why it's one of the popular Aerial Photography platforms.

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Also, I don't see any Berg micro crystals on the tower site.

Try this.

Regarding the charger, 800mA max. are more than enough for your 750mAh NiMH packs. Not enough though if later one you would switch to LiPo's.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 12:39 AM

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To save you the shipping from Cheap Battery packs, you can get these:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGBN0&P=7

I've used this pack on my SS and had no complaints. They are also the shape that I like best for the Slow Stick.

If you put your order through in multiple passes, you'll also save the discount.

But do check out the connector on that: That is a MALE JST plug. That's what you want for the ICS300 GWS speed control.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 12:55 AM

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What "shape" do I want? I was thinking something that resembled a likeness of my favorite football coach SOS. But that may be asking a lot from the battery guys.

Now that is something I've never thought about. My favorite football coach isn't the first shape that came to mind, though.

The shape in the previous post is what I'd recommend if you order from CBP. 3 batteries stack on top of 4 on the bottom. Each 'level' is two batteries standing next to two others.

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Great Planes Electrifly AC Park Flyer Peak Charger charge range 200-800mah $29.99 (how fast will this charge? is their a better option that does 2 at a time?)

At the 800 setting, about 45 minutes, but if you want to take care of them, charge them as slowly as you can handle. The faster you charge them, the harder it is on the batteries. The 200mah setting will take about 2.5 hours to fully recharge a pack.

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I'm still looking for the separate gearbox housing, main gear, and prop shaft as I know I need to buy a few of those shafts and ones of each of the others.

Try www.allerc.com or www.epyaya.com I've put orders through both of these sites without issue.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 1:37 AM

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http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_29&products_id=427
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_29&products_id=706
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1182
http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_29&products_id=455

I think these are the parts you were looking for. I'd have to double check whether they were all the right parts, but if you are ordering from them, I'd send them a quick email to confirm.

I'd get a spur gear too, because if you have a couple of good crashes, the brass gear on the motor will chew up the plastic spur gear. Here are the items you'll likely break in order. The higher on the list, the more you'll need:
- props (6 or more)
- prop shafts (I've replaced three or four)
- spur gears (I've replaced one or two)
- gear box housing (I've never broken one, but I've heard of people breaking them).

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 1:47 AM

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I was breaking lots of props till I ordered a prop saver, since then no more broken props, no bent shafts and no gearbox damage. I'm trying to mount a digital camera that Kmart sells for $29.00 between the wire landing gear. I can trip the camera with a servo on an unused channel. Only problem is the camera must be activated every 30 seconds or it goes in shutdown mode. The camera weighs 3 ounces . Has anyone else tried a digital camera ? If you have any hints please advise.
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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 2:21 AM

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I use 9.6V-600mAh flatpacks from wallmart in the rc car isle 14$ with charger, got deans cons, on em too! ya'll bub, scoooper

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 2:37 AM

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But do check out the connector on that: That is a MALE JST plug. That's what you want for the ICS300 GWS speed control.

OK, I checked the TowerHobbies website and, to me, they got the gender wrong! According to wikipedia (search for "female connector" ):

The gender of a connector is determined by the structure of its primary functional components — i.e., the conductors of an electrical connector, or the load-bearing parts of a fastener — and not by secondary features such as covers, shields or handles that may be installed for environmental protection, safe operation, etc.

Therefore, the connector with pins is the male (wrongly designated as female on tower's website) and the one with slots is the female one.

Anyway, the rule of thumb is that the connector with slots is always on the battery side, regardless on how its gender is designated.

Rhizzlebop,

You need indeed the packs with "male" connector, i.e. the one in Time Pilot's link.

Sorry for the confusion I may have created.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 3:01 AM

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Thanks for the help guys. I placed some orders earlier this evening for all the parts I listed a few posts above.

I did get the micro berg crystal and requested ch 56. (random high number).

I did not buy any glue as someone suggested cause I think some comes in the plane kit. Not sure though,

I am planning on ordering my batteries from cheapbatts as you recommended. I am convinced after seeing those graphs. I don't have a problem with doing that.

No offense to either of you guys, but I'm just gonna try and call and ask someone, cause one of you guys is saying male and the other is saying female and both of you seem to be certain. Maybe you are both right on your own respective plane models.

The battery shipping is only 5 bucks for 3 batteries which is what I plan to order.

I don't quite follow that shape you descibed.

Looking at the battery you linked, it sort or resembles a double flat, or maybe a triangle sort of. Possibly its like a double stick.

I'm gonna order the batteries tomorrow.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 3:05 AM

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Thats alright. I appreciate the effort and all the help. I was just looking at the battery connector again myself. I was gonna see if I could figure it out from a picture comparison.

Again, thanks for the help. I'm certain I'll be back on here soon with my issues of getting this beast in the air.

I'm gonna order a couple of those accessory parts too. Don't wanna be shut down from a lack of drive shafts.

I wanna go ahead and order a pro saver, but I dunno the diameter of the shaft. Someone mentioned thinking it was a 2.3 mm. The engine part on tower indicated it is 3mm. I'm not certain.

I wanna get the right prop saver and prop and order those pieces at one time to minimize the shipping.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 6:47 AM

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No offense to either of you guys, but I'm just gonna try and call and ask someone, cause one of you guys is saying male and the other is saying female and both of you seem to be certain. Maybe you are both right on your own respective plane models.

Again, Time Pilot is right. All these guys (cheapbatterypacks.com included) call the JST connector that goes on the battery the "male" one. So, make sure you ask to have this one on your packs.

I never paid atention to how they label it. I was assuming (yes, assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups) that the JST connector naming follows common-sense; well, I was wrong.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 7:30 AM

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You can fit many shapes of battery packs on the Slow Stick, but the one that I like on the CBP website is the 2x2 stick, or as I see they've got a new picture, a 2x2 7 cell.

I like this shape because it fits nicely under the battery holder and because it is compact, is easier to get the rubber bands around it (to hold it in place) and movement of the pack doesn't interfere with the landing gear as much, so it's easier to balance the plane.

You do need the Male JST on the battery. Promise, cross my heart and hope to die. Drop CA into my eye.

You won't get a choice of wire with that connector. The connector comes prewired and you get what they get with it.

But now that you are having a custom pack, you may want to consider a different connector. It's not necessary to start, but there are some advantages. If you're already overwhelmed and don't feel like you want to learn how to solder yet, get the JST, have some fun and pick that skill up later for your next plane.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 1:48 PM

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These are the items that I've purchased.

Item name and type - qty - total price
Hitec HS-55 Economy Sub Micro Servo 3 30.97 (total for 3)
Great Planes ElectriFly AC Park Flyer Peak Charger 1 29.99
GWS ICS300/F Speed Control 8A 6-9.6V Futaba 1 9.69
Castle Creations Micro Crystal Berg 56 1 6.79
GWS Slow Stick Park Flyer EP ARF w/EPS-300C/BB 46.3" 1 31.99
GWS 11x8 Propeller 6 8.49 (total for 6)
GWS EPS-300C/350C Gearbox w/Pinion 6.60:1 1 7.99
Hitec USB Flight Simulator Interface HRC Tx 1 39.99 (yea, I got it hoping it'll save some crashed)
GWS Naro Receiver 6-Channel Standard Pin Futaba 1 22.99
Hitec Optic 6 6-Channel Tx & Spectra Module Only 1 159.99

My total came to about 300.

I was able to break up my order and maximize the discount savings.

I think I have some really good pieces here that can be used on different planes and different things.

Now I'm gonna order three batteries.

Can someone tell me What diameter the prop shaft is, so I know what to order?

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/1/2006 8:06 PM

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Can someone tell me What diameter the prop shaft is, so I know what to order?

The shaft is 3mm.

Yes, the TX and cable are good acquisitions. In the long run you'll be happy you bought them. You should go ahead and install the FMS program. Good quality SlowStick models are available on the net (google for them).

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/2/2006 3:31 AM

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Can someone tell me What diameter the prop shaft is, so I know what to order?

The GWS part number is EPS-6AC. I am not sure if you can just order another brand of prop shaft.

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Now I'm gonna order three batteries.

Something else to think about:

I fly my SS with a 7 cell Nimh pack made from larger batteries like the CBP1150 cells. The plane isn't as nimble as with the lighter packs, and that pack is noticably bigger and heavier, but I get around 18 minutes on that pack. CBP is currently out of those cells but the price is the same as the smaller cell. You may want to experiment with just one larger pack. Some people claim that a heavier SS is more stable in wind, I don't put much faith in that credo, but as a new flyer, it would be something that you could experiement with.

Again, I prefer the way the SS flies with the lighter pack, but it's always nice to have options.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/2/2006 5:23 AM

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Ok, I ordered my batteries earlier today.

I'm looking at the extra parts linked above here a few posts.

I'm also looking at the prop saver. Someone linked to the 3d wobbly one a few pages back in this thread. It is backordered.

There are some other ones. Are they the same thing? The hyperion one is in stock AND there are a set of hyperion rings in stock. Will this be the same thing?

Also, I am looking for the c-clips that you guys are saying I am sure to lose a couple of.

I only see Hyperion clips here and they apparently fit different sized prop shafts.

I checked epaya or whatever it is and don't see any clips their.

Any suggestions? Will any of these clips or otjher prop savers and rings work just the same?

Thanks again.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/2/2006 7:10 AM

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The e-clips come with the prop shaft, so if you lose it replacing it, you've got another chance.

http://www.zebrahobby.ca/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F6882096&rnd=1818659&rrc=N&affl=&cip=64.180.58.53&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=EPS-6AC&cat=epsParts&catstr=HOME:motorParts:epsParts

Do take the e-clip off in a plastic bag. It only takes once looking for one of these things on the floor to make you remember forever.

I did a quick search for just the e-clips and I can't find them anywhere either. Looks like some vendors may be getting GWS burnout--too many parts to stock.

I'll let someone else answer your prop saver questions--I've never used one.

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RE: GWS Slow Stick Survey - 12/2/2006 5:03 PM

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All the prop savers are basically the same. They do come in different shaft sizes, so if you are using a gearbox, you will need to know what size the shaft is where you mount your prop, not the motor shaft size. Most I think are 2.3 or 3mm. Don't bother buying extra rings. Just go to your local hardware store and get a pack of #10 rubber o-rings. The rubber bands that come with the prop savers are almost always rotten and snap on the first usage.

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