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Aerohawk Setup Saga - 1/5/2004 11:13:59 PM   
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Here are some notes about what I know or think I know after about a month of trying to fly the Smartech Aerohawk micro RC helicopter as a total newbie. From my experience it is unlikely many people will be able to fly the Aerohawk very well “right out of the box”.
The Smartech Aerohawk by Perfect Toys International is similar to the Ikarus Fun Piccolo or the FEDA Dragonfly and is the new version of the Skylark. The Cupid helicopter seems to be very similar to the Aerohawk.
The helicopter has a main motor, separate tail motor, two servos with no nameplates, a 750 mAhr 8.4 volt NiMH battery and an integrated electronics module. The four-channel FM receiver is a small 25mm PC board attached to the gyro/mixer and motor controller board. There is no separate gyro and there is no case on either the mixer board or the receiver thus saving weight. The design of the rotor head is different from the Piccolo or Dragonfly. The Aerohawk instruction manual is in English so broken you need a broken English to English dictionary (e.g. landing skid is “sliding pry”). The dragonfly has better, mostly applicable, manuals that you can download:

FEDA Dragonfly manual with details of cyclic mechanism: http://www.tedani.com/dragonfly.html

Another Dragonfly manual with better flight training procedures: http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/manual/dragonfly_manual.pdf

The gyro, mixer, and motor controller electronics board on the Aerohawk appears to be a "Chinese copy" of the Ikarus Piccolo piccoboard. Mine reads PTI V 1.33 and has a piezoelectric gyro 03JA by Murata. PTI is Perfect Toys International of Hong Kong.
has a long description regarding setting up the mixer and gyro on the Piccolo that is applicable to Aerohawk.
Looking at the left side of the helicopter, there are two screwdriver adjustments. They can be turned about 270 degrees from stop to stop. They are not hard to turn - don't break them by trying to turn beyond the stops.
The left control, marked 204, is the gyro gain and the right, marked 103, is the tail rotor mixer gain. Both increase clockwise. The mixer gain is very sensitive. Mine was set to about 80%, which was about right. Adjust more CW if heli tends to yaw left as main motor power is increased. The gyro adjustment was set at 100% and doesn’t seem to be very sensitive.
When you power up, the electronics sets the "zero" for rudder (tail motor) at whatever it is getting from the transmitter during the http://www.pgoelz.com/calibration interval so the transmitter rudder trim has no effect unless you move it after the electronics sets the zero (after the LED turns on). If you want to trim left you could set transmitter trim all the way to right for power up and then move to left after LED on, etc.

Problem with Aerohawk Rotary Head

The servos and swash plate control the cyclic angle of the side wings (also known as fly bar paddles) which in turn fly up and down to rotate the main wings around their axis. The main wings are in a ball bearing arrangement designed to let them freely change their angle of attack about plus or minus 20 degrees. In my unit parts 25 and 29 were rubbing and hanging up the wing rotation. Part 29 and 25 should be so free that any little breeze should be able to move the side wings up and down when the helicopter is parked. If not, cyclic response will be sluggish and/or the helicopter will go in the wrong direction in response to the cyclic. I disassembled 25 from 29 and filed down some mold lines on the inside of 29 and outside of 25. Also the ball joints at 24/31 needed to be loosened and the bottom ends of 24 needed to be filed down to avoid their rubbing on part 4. This kind of tweaking is apparently pretty common to all the small electric helicopters. Use following procedure at your own risk. It worked for me. To disassemble rotor head carefully pop parts 24 off of part 20. Then gently pull up on one end of part 29 while using a small screwdriver to push down on part 25 until one of the ball bearings (26) snaps out of part 25. The other bearing can then be slid longitudinally out of part 25.

There is a lot of discussion about how tight to attach the main wings to part 29. If they are fairly loose, they are supposed to set themselves to the right angle as you spin up such that both blades have the same angle relative to part 29. If you tightly attach them then you have to frequently make sure that they are exactly set at the same angle each time before you spin up or there will be major vibration probably resulting in “death wobble”. If the lift and therefore drag of one of the blades is different from the other and the blades are loose then they will not set at the same angle so “tracking” of the blades is critical especially if the blades are loose. If you mark the blades 1, and 2, remove the blades, and stack blade 1 on top of blade 2 you should be able to see if blade 2 has more curl and therefore more lift. Repeat with blade 2 on top of blade 1. If one blade is curled more than the other, one will have to be carefully twisted to adjust them. My blades had significantly different curl. See Goelz Piccolo site for more on testing and setting tracking. If you tighten the blades too much the threads will strip and you will need to add nuts to part 30. Actual balance (weight and center of gravity) of my blades seemed to be good as received. Raidentech (http://www.raidentech.com/) is a good U.S. source for Aerohawk parts. ( I found that for some reason it is extremely easy to bend the shaft on the tail rotor motor.)

Aerohawk transmitters are either mode 1 or mode 2. In mode 2 the right stick controls elevator (stick up/dn) and aileron (stick left/right). The left stick is for throttle (collective) (stick up) and rudder (stick left/right). The Aerohawk manual is written assuming mode 1 which is apparently used in Asia (left stick up/dn elevator, left/right rudder; right stick up/dn throttle, left/right aileron). There is no obvious way to change a transmitter from mode 1 to mode 2. The Aerohawk transmitter, probably actually made by GWS, does not have a training connector and can’t be used with simulators. Channel 1 and 2 servos are reversed at the transmitter.

I have both the G2 and Piccofly simulator software for PC. The Great Planes Realflight G2 Lite simulator (simulated transmitter connects to USB port) has great graphics and what is said to be a very realistic simulation of a 30 size glow helicopter. However, the Aerohawk is about ten times lighter than the 30 size, responds somewhat differently, and is more difficult to fly so G2 training is only approximate. The Ikarus IPACS Piccofly simulator (“Game Commander” simulated transmitter connects to game port) is said to be a very good simulation of a Piccolo. I found it to be very similar to actually flying the Aerohawk. If you can fly Piccofly you should be able to fly the Aerohawk, if not, your Aerohawk probably needs tweaking. The Piccofly Game Commander box (but not the G2 USB box) also works with the free Flying Model Simulator (FMS) software. The stock FMS helicopter models are very (unrealistically) easy to fly and I was unable to find a Piccolo model that works with the current version of FMS.
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RE: <span class= - 1/8/2004 10:37:02 AM   
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hi, i read your setting up pints that you posted. i own an aerohawk from october 2003. i broke many pcs and hovered for about 4 sec max since i owned it. the bird as soon as i lift off it tends to go back and left if you are looking from behind. i have tried many adjustment(balancing blades, centerring fly bar and leveling the paddeles, and level the swashplate) but unsuccessful to hover steady.
what can you give me as advise, iam not planning on giving up but still need advise.
well i apreciate your detailed explanation on your experiance and will appreciate more advise
on battery location, and ajustments.
thanks

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RE: <span class= - 1/8/2004 11:47:16 PM   
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i have had my aero hawk for about 4 days and i have already broken the cyclic control links, the swash plate keeps on separating and my transmitter doesnt work, i was told when i ordered it that it woul be 27mhz, but it was 72 which may be OK in asia, but in england i seem to be getting loads of interferance. also ive found it extremely had to control, not helped by its piegen english manual and the fact that it seems very unstable, i havent even got it off the training undercarrage yet!

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RE: <span class= - 1/9/2004 4:19:55 AM   
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Here is some more info:
If you have the gyro gain too high you may get side to side tail wagging. Mine doesn't do this even at 100 percent gyro gain.
In my unit "death wobble" instability is a severe porpoising (tail up/down) movement usually starting after a few seconds of flight. This was greatly improved by removing the training gear. I can now easily hover the Aerohawk in my garage for at least 30 seconds at a time. Highly recommend the simulator.

The crystals in the transmitter and receiver are both marked with the frequency and channel and should match. U.S. uses 72 Mhz, mode 2, and 110 VAC on the charger. Other countries use different frequencies, voltages and modes. If you buy direct from Hong Kong you need to make sure they ship the right unit.

If the trim is set right and the rotor mechanism doesn't rub it should be possible to do a rapid "bunny hop" about 30cm in the air (without touching the cyclic) without drifting very much in any direction. If it drifts in a different direction on each hop, the trims are set right.

I have the servo rods in the second hole from the tips of the servo horns.

When the rotor is turned so the flybar is extending to the left and right, and you support the helicopter by holding the flybar, the landing skids should be parallel to the ground. I did not find that the battery position was very critical or significantly affected death wobble although other people do recommend trying the battery further forward or back to reduce instability.

It is recommended various places to practice hovering at about 30cm height rather than nearer the floor because it tends to be easier to control. This seems to be true.

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RE: <span class= - 1/9/2004 8:23:23 AM   
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thanks, i will try your advise with the gyro and see. i will try again on the 12 of jan as parts arrive 0nly then.
as for your death wobble, i had the similar thing untill i was advised to check the main gear and the motor pinion.
somtimes when they are not parallel that my result in wobbles.
hopefully i will hover.
is it possible to post pictures.?
thanks again

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RE: <span class= - 1/9/2004 1:16:58 PM   
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Hi all, Has anyone used raidentech.com? How is your experience with them? I see they have Aerohawk parts much cheaper than from Hongkong. I live in Europe. I think I'm going to order parts from them, and want to be sure. One thing I don't like is you have to use credit card to pay, not Paypal.

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RE: Aerohawk Setup Saga - 1/12/2004 3:24:54 AM   
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Great post, Sirius35! LOTS of info!

Here's an exploded parts diagram: http://www.ss16.dial.pipex.com/Helicopters/Aerohawk_Expolded_View_for_web.GIF

I ran into a similar issue with the rotary head rubbing. It didn't have a major effect on the controls, but since I am waiting for a replacement mainshaft, I took the opportunity to clearance these parts. Everything else on my heli is smooth so far!

Thanks for the info, Sirius35! One question -- did you use any fluid lube on any of these parts during reassembly? At this time, I have just used a bit of dry graphite in the ball sockets, worked in, then blown off with compressed air. I'm worried about using a heavier grease/oil and attracting grit...

Randii

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RE: Aerohawk Setup Saga - 1/12/2004 9:09:48 AM   
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GlennT:

Raidentech in my experience is run by criminals, they take your payment then "forgett to ship your order for a couple of months" then when you give up after naggin on them a thousand times and demand a refund this is very hard as "new personell" is in place, they keep this going with lame reasons until you just give up. In my entire life this is the only bad experience i have had with shopping on the net. 150$ right out the window.

So in my opinion dont shopp from this scam site, all in all I would say dont shopp from US sites period if you live outside the country, if they ripp you off there is absolutly nothing you can do and the creditcard comps cant touch them according to rules and laws on the matter, also US sites in generall seems to be halfassed, bad service, rude and ignorant you will be better of buying from some hongkong based store, top service and cheaper prices and they are also really polite people.

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RE: <span class= - 1/12/2004 9:21:00 AM   
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i was wondering all their prices are very cheap, i though somthing was wrong. thanks for the advise

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RE: <span class= - 1/12/2004 2:27:57 PM   
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r?ldakin

Thank you for warning me! I was about to place an order and feed them with my money.

So far I have used rc-expert.com and rcmart.com from Hongkong. Both sell aerohawk parts at the same price. But rc-expect ship at least 10 days after you order (they stock no parts and use that time to order from manufacturers), and never let you know shipment number. They have been saying their online tracking is currently under development since last november.

rcmart has a group of young people with professional services. They always ship my order the next day. You can always check you shipment status online.

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RE: <span class= - 1/13/2004 2:47:10 AM   
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Randii I tried some light oil on the motor gears and the ball joints -- seems to make the tail gear quieter. Some of the brass on the pinions seems to rub off on the black gears so maybe a little lube will save wear.

Both orders placed with Raidentech shipped the same day but maybe I just had good luck. I am in U.S.

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RE: <span class= - 1/13/2004 9:59:57 AM   
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Bought my AeroHawk from RcMart.com, and now ordering spare parts from them, good service so far. RaidentTech has better prices but they don't want to deal with Croatia.

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RE: <span class= - 1/14/2004 10:58:15 AM   
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i just got a new pcb board, and tryd to install it like the old one. it seems that i either have the conections wrong or the gyro on this board is messed up. can somone advise how to wire the pcb board correctly?
i use a lithuim battery so i tried them both and gives me the same thing. the heli spins out of control. the tail motor is not spinning fast enough. (the red indicator Lights up)
i tried to increase the gain on the pcb but not suceeded
tried switching the wires coming from the board to rcvr, but still no luck, the areohawk keeps spining
when i hold the heli and turn it towards the left, making it think it was spining in order for the tail motor to compensate and work that does not happen.
can somone help me out here??
thanks fellows

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