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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 5:51:43 AM   
ChuckAuger



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Status: offline 		I see Jess has caught the gist of my post before I even posted it (with no collusion, I assure you). And I totally agree with him. I think it's telling tha both Jess and I came to exactly the same conclusion regarding your post, independant of each other, within seconds of each others post.


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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 2:38:38 PM   
STomic


 

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Status: offline 		It’s their event, they can make it what they want. If you don’t like it, PUT ON YOUR OWN EVENT !

RCRC don't waste your time addressing this !!

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 2:40:15 PM   
DocYates



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Status: offline 		I agee. Nothing you say here seems to get the point across.
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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 3:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I keep seeing you guys talk about bringing mustangs and warbirds to a pro bro event. There is a difference in a pro bro event and an event that is (was) open to everyone. Pro Bro events are open yet somewhat private. All of the marketing and promotion of Pro Bro events have ALWAYS targeted 3D pilots. To find out about these events you either have to be in a 3D room, a pro bro memeber, or hear it from someone who flies 3D. You can also see it promoted in this very room but it is and always has been promoted as a 3D event. Just like "Warbirds over whatever state" is promoted as a warbird event. If a warbird ends up at a pro bro event the guy will not be banned, unless HE becomes a problem. He showed up to this event knowing exactly what kind of flying goes on there (100% 3D). In an event like Huntsville it was open to the public for any type of flying. If they want to ban 3D flight at the event I have no problem with them if they are wanting to have a specific kind of event (call it "Scale pilots over Huntsville" or something). But this is not what they did. They have banned a particular type of flying which shows just how well they are problem solvers (sarcastic tone used here of course).

Since I am moving to the GA/AL line I thought about going to this event. Since there will be no 3D pilots allowed I will not be going.

I see a disturbing trend here for R/C. 3D is much to large to try to sweep under the table, its growing like a california wildfire with a 65mph breeze blowing. If it is swept under the table then it will form a leauge of its own (A lot like the X-Games) and become a hella lot more popular than the rest of R/C. We seem to captivate the younger group which has a long time to live. You old farts arnt going to outlive the 3D generation (which will grow larger b/c you are all passing on and the 3D group is just being born). My Suggestion is to Embrace 3D and let R/C build up to its full potential. Its going to happen, we can do it with or without you scale guys but unlike you guys we have respect for other type of flight and hope you can tag along.

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 3:52:04 PM   
JRozman-delete



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ORIGINAL: STomic

It’s their event, they can make it what they want. If you don’t like it, PUT ON YOUR OWN EVENT !

RCRC don't waste your time addressing this !!



You guys don't get it. I FULLY SUPPORT THEIR DECISION TO TO DO WHAT THEY WANT AT THEIR EVENT.

People need a reading comprehension class. That is not where the debate lies. You are letting emotions fog your judgment. Here is a tip. Read the post in its entirety, think about what was read, then chose to respond or not.

The last few posts were about dubious tactics used to get a point across.

Can gentlemen not disagree anymore? Why do people get all emotional and mad over a disagreement?

I am glad our founding fathers didn't have "Colonial Universe."

Jess

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 3:58:02 PM   
JRozman-delete



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I agee. Nothing you say here seems to get the point across.
Tommy


I think the point was made loud and clear. It is the spin we chose not to ingest.

Jess

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 4:32:38 PM   
DocYates



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Status: offline 		I comprehend the last statement which were made entirely differently. The orignal psoter made a post in which he blasted a club for their decision to sponsor a fly-in where they would not promote 3-D flight, in an effort to encourage other giant scale fliers to put their planes in the air. Why he (the original poster) chose to do this, I do not know. If it was an effort to discredit that particular club, in my opinion he failed miserably. In an effort to defend their clubs position, their spokesman used comment made in a public forum by people which were bad-mouthing the club's decision. Funny how things can come back to bite people on the ass occasionally.
My point is simple this, if that club want to host a funfly, flyin, contest or whatever then they have the right to decide how and when they want to do it. You on the other hand have the right to attend or not. To put them down for waht they what to do is ludicrous. As CD's are planning events this year they are getting more and more requests to limit extreme flying to specific times in order to keep the pattern free. I have heard it from many.
I don't mean to ruffle any feathers nor make anyone mad, but for pete's sake I fail to see why this is even such an issue.
Tommy

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 4:34:58 PM   
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Hey guys...it's their event. They have simply chosen the !QUOT!flavor!QUOT! they want their event to have, they have not bashed 3-D at all. I wouldn't bring my proflie hots to a scale event nor would I choose to bring my Stuka to a pro-bro event.....Why can't we respect their decision and move on ! To each their own
My 2 cents
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bigbri-RCU stated my thoughts exactly. Its their event. They can dictate it to be a scale event, warbird, giant scale racing, high wings only, electrics, sailplanes, fun fly, helicopter, or any damn thing kind of event the choose. Its their choice. The club made a choice on the type of event they want to hold. They are footing the bill, they are doing all the volunteer work, it's their club field, and they have every right to make their event reflect whatever their 'flavor' or RC is to them.

There is a definite conflict with flying styles, just as there is with helicopters and fixed wing. One is stationary over the field, while the other is flying around trying to avoid the stationary object. If a club wants to hold an event and not deal with that issue, who are we to say they lazy for not working out a solution, or chastise them because they excluded a flight discipline that we enjoy. I don't see the scale pilots complaining that they can't fly at a 3D event. I'd love to see what happens when a small group shows up with a few warbirds at a 3D only event! I don't think they would be welcomed under the 3D pilots wings and allowed to fly patterns around the track. I would bet they would be turned away and not allowed to fly under the guise that its a 3D only event. Hypocritical, you betcha.

Lets just expand our own event schedule of 3D events where everyone is on the same page, and the flight conflicts are minimal. Everyone would be there for the same reason, because they love to fly 3D. We don't have enough 3D or extreme events, and we need more. We should be creating out own 3D and extreme events, and not trying to take over other events where the flying style creates conflicts with the desires and original intent of the events participants.

Its ridiculous to try to force a hosting club to include 3D when what they really want, and voted 100% within the club members to do, was to host a grass roots IMAA style event. They owe us nothing! Lets get off our high horses and respect others rights to enjoy the hobby in the manner they choose, and not try to force our desires on others against they will. They have every right to host any sort of even they choose, including an event only for planes painted blue and red, with one wing, limited to .21 engines, and not more than 1 minute flights. If you don't like the flight discipline of the event, don't attend. If you do, attend the event, offer to help out with something, help others when possible, enjoy yourself, and tell others so they may attend too.

What are we going to go after next. Trying to allow 3D at free flight events? Thats actually doable, since the freeflights never need the runway so it would be a perfect mix of traffic

And for what is worth, I mostly fly 3D myself.

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 4:51:29 PM   
southern_touch9


 

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Status: offline 		When I move over that way in a few months I think I should find a group of guys and call it "Club Extreme". A place where 3D flight is encouraged, promotoed, and welcome. It seems there is a need for such a club in this part of the country. I wonder why there arnt any 3D only clubs out there? I mean you see scale clubs, Heli clubs, warbird clubs, free flight clubs, glider clubs and the list just gets duller and increasingly boring. I think its time that someone established a 3D only club. Someone over towards Columbus, GA wanna donate a field. I got the marketing tools if you got the space No Cheifs, No indians, no warbirds, cubs, or other boring things and possibly no AMA (just a waiver to sign). Just a bunch of guys who arnt happy flying around in some boring pattern doing loops and rolls.

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 4:52:41 PM   
STomic


 

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Status: offline 		I hope you're not teaching the class !! cause u need it more than anyone. If u took the time to see that I responded to the original post not yours. Talk about spin !!!

"Get your facts first,and then you can distort them as much as you please."-Mark Twain

Why do people get all emotional and mad over a disagreement? I am glad our founding fathers didn't have "Colonial Universe." "

Who said I was mad ... just disagree with the approach that was being taken. I think our founding fathers wouldn't have a problem with that. They would have a problem with people that talk out of both sides of their mouth !

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 5:01:12 PM   
3DRC



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Status: offline 		It think this has become an inflammatory issue for the 3D group, which I am one of, because of the recent issues and rules that are being developed regarding our flight style. The wound is there because we all look at our own issue and see the level af skill that is required to fly these planes in what we all agree are Extreme attitudes. I have seen several 3D planes go in and none of them have been near to safety risking crashes. I have on the other hand seen MANY other types of aircraft go completely out of control due to the use of antiquated equipment or lack of flying skill. I watched a GS Warbird go in totally out of control and when we looked in the rubble there was an AM receiver that was the size of a Sucrets box with a wire coming out of the center top. I have also seen numerous times when the Older pilots have had to hand off the transmitter to a "3D" pilot to land it because they had lost control or were unable to land it. Nothing meant as derogatory to our senior pilots they have pioneered the way and are great wealths of knowledge.

So, as a 3D type pilot I can feel the "discrimination" against us as an "unfair" bias.

On the second side of this issue, I can respect that the Huntsville club has made a decision to have a fly-in that appeals to their club. That is their right. I am glad that they took the time to make sure that the pilots knew this prior to showing up.

I will take the time to invite all of the 3D pilots to our Mobile, AL 3D event. We are also open to other IMAA planes if you choose to come. We are always open to share the hobby with all that enjoy it in what ever fashion they choose. We have been holding these 3D events for several years without any injuries or near injury. I also would like to thank the local club for being a broad thinking club that finds enjoyment in ALL RC aircraft from Electrics, Helis and 3D.

Bean

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 5:05:10 PM   
sfaust



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Its going to happen, we can do it with or without you scale guys but unlike you guys we have respect for other type of flight and hope you can tag along.


This kind of statement will make me embarrassed to say I fly 3D

To me it says that because they won't let us play in their clubhouse, the one they built, the one they paid for, the one they do all the work for and maintain, that they don't respect us? Huh? Seems that we are the ones that don't respect their wishes for how they want to run their club, what types of flying they wish to partake in, and their rights to run their event anyway they choose, and call it anything they want.

Hmmm.

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RE: HUNTSVILLE BIG BIRD MEET HAS BANNED 3d FLYING! - 1/14/2004 5:06:39 PM   
STomic


 

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Status: offline 		Forgot to add this ...

"Here is a tip. Read the post in its entirety, think about what was read, then chose to respond or not. "

Jess, here's a tip for u: Read the post in its entirety, think about what was read, then chose to respond or not. Just like I did to the original post ... not yours.

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