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This old car.... - 1/18/2004 6:45:53 AM   
Flyboy Dave



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Well....I have a full scale car project going right now, and it's about
midway through. It's an old Ford....a 1930 Model A Tudoor. That's
not miss-spelled, it's kind of a nickname for two door sedans. I've
always liked the sedans for some reason, and I got this car several
years ago....and never did much with it. I knew there were a lot of
things that could be done to improve and fix up the car....but never
had a lot of time to get into it.

Now that I retired....I figured it was now, or never....so the project
was started. It's not really a restoration, more of a total remanufacture.
The car looks real sharp on the outside, as you can see....and the
running gear had been completely changed. It uses a 289 Mustang
(small block) V-8 engine, a C-4 Ford automatic trans, and an early
Mustang rear end.

It still had buggy springs front and rear, using a chromed 4" dropped
front axle, and 1940 Ford front brakes, with finned drums. (cool hot-
rod stuff) It had the stock Mustang drum rear brakes, and a set of
"appliance" real wire wheels.

That's the good news.

The bad news was a whole lot worse than I thought. The frame and
running gear underneith were in such bad shape....it was a shame. I
know for a fact if I lived in a State were they had annual auto inspections
the car would have been banned from operation, untill a lot of things
were fixed.

So, here we go. This is gonna be a long thread....we're almost finished
with the reconstruction at this point. Now we half to tear it all apart, and
paint it. All the bits have been chromed, and all the parts are in.

It's showtime, Baby....

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RE: This old car.... - 1/18/2004 7:37:17 AM   
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Pretty nice car, huh ? I guess you might be thinking....what the heck
are you gonna do that nice car....looks fine to me, just the way it is.

Well, as a matter of fact....appearence wise the car is sound. In fact
it turns out to be "crazy sound", because there's not any rust....inside
or out, and not a drop of Bondo. It's all steel and all original (except for
the running gear) and is still registerred as a 1930 Ford. I don't know
where this car has been for the last 75 years. All the old cars that have
not been kept-up, or restored....rusted into the ground 50 years ago !

First off....let me tell what I kinda had planned for the car....in one of
those...."one of these days" kind of planning. These Model A's came right
after the Model T's....and were built with wooden floor boards, and a wood
firewall. They make kits, with sheet metal parts to replace the wood, but
it's a major job to tear the car down, and weld in the metal stuff....but that
was a major dream modification.

More in reality, I wanted to change out the rear end. For one thing, it was
geared too low....and the guys who put the rear end in the car....must have
learned to weld as they went....it was a mess....I mean really bad. It's a
wonder the rear end didn't fall out on the ground. I also wanted to do
something with the brakes, they weren't very good. The steering was real
hard....I didn't know what could be done about that.

I did know that putting power steering on....would entail using a Saginaw box,
a pump, and the rest of the stuff. But the frame is so skinny....it didn't look like
there was room enough to mount the bracket, to mount the steering box.
Power steering was a "dream mod".

Model A's have buggy springs front and rear....which means the car if fastened
to, and suspended in the middle of the car. They lean a whole lot when you
turn a corner....and they always end up leaning to the left, with no one in the car
....known as "the fat mans lean". I sure didn't like that leaning business....but
what to do about that ?

So mainly it was improve the steering, the gearing, the handling, and the brakes.
Sounds reasonable....doesn't it ?

(to be continued)

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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 5:23:00 AM   
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What started out to be a do-it-yourself, backyard attempt to "put another
rear end in it"....turned into a major fiasco as we saw the condition of the
undercarriage. It was unsalvageable....literally nothing under the car was
worth saving. You know the old saying...."anything worth doing, is worth
doing right"....came into play. At this point, I decided a new frame was in
order. Not a new, stock "re-pop" frame....but one of those new modern
fully boxed beauties I had been droolling over for years in the hot rod mags.

And while we were at it....it was time for the metal firewall and floorboards
as well. I had also fancied a new dashboard and instruments. Now we have
a plan. I ordered up the frame from an oufit called TCI....Total Cost Involved....
( I found out later what that meant ). So we started ripping. We ripped
out the interior, the floorboards, the dash, the wiring, the front end, the rear
end....by the time we got through ripping....the car was bare.

Too late to turn back now.

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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 6:14:29 AM   
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To give you an idea about how messed up the car was....go back to the
last post, and look at pic #3. That big black thing were the dashboard used
to be, is the gas tank. Not really a good place for a gas tank is it, in your lap ?
See on the left side, on the bottom edge....that bracket ? The previous
"hot rodders" had welded the steering column bracket to the gas tank !

On the brighter side....pic #1 below is the back of the old dash. Pics 2, 3,
and 4 is the new dash, and some of the stuff going in it.

Now were talkin'....

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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 6:23:11 AM   
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In a few weeks time the bare bones TCI frame came in. The good
folks a TCI put me on to one of their subcontractors, a place
called Unique Auto....in Bloomington, Cal. It's down around Fontana
and San Berdoo....not far from Calif. Raceway. TCI is too busy to make
anything but their stock fare....any mods have to be subbed out. So
I loaded up my front end, and a rear end we dragged out of a junk
yard....and headed to Unique. I wanted a rolling chassis to slide under
my baby....but, what started out as a frame replacement, turned into
much more....a total rebuilding of the car.

Lets clean up this stuff, and see what we have. As you can see....the
wheels are real nice, the backing plates are chromed, and the 4" dropped
front axle is in great shape. I wanted to use my whole front end, but
since the steering box was to be made proper, most of my front end
parts were scrapped. Only the axle, the wheel assy's., and one tie rod
could be used. A complete chromed front end like this (rolling) with shocks
runs around $3500. Yes, I was glad I already had the big parts.

Here's the front end....slid under the new chassis. The chassis doesn't look
like much at first glance....the A-Bone is a simple car. We'll have a closer look.

A look from the rear. The rear end has to be kicked up about 4" to put
in the new "coil-over" rear suspension. That rise....sticks up inside the car....
under the rear seat. A special floor pan would have to be made for it.

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 1/19/2004 1:31:31 PM >


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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 7:57:05 AM   
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The best way to get a good look at my little frame, is by following the
brake lines around the inside of the frame. They are hand made of course,
and are hidden inside the frame rails. The lines at the ends are fastened to
clips, welded to the frame at the wheels. Stainless steel flex hoses go to
the wheel cylinders. The lines are fastened to the frame with alum. brackets
....the stainless screws are drilled and tapped into the frame. Nowhere on the
frame, do the lines touch the frame. The gut who cut and bent up the lines has
obviously done this before.

You can see the 4" rise in the frame....that mount on the top is the shock
mount....it has to be stout. It looks the guy that did the welding has done
this before as well.

The lines running around the rear of the frame. The brakes lines do not
droop over the rear end like in a regular car....nor are any lines running
around the firewall. This is "hot rod style".

Coming around to the left side of the frame you can see the line for the
rear wheel, and the bracket for the rear sway bar

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 1/19/2004 9:05:34 AM >


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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 8:09:06 AM   
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Moving forward along the frame we see the rear end stabilizer bracket
for the "four-bar" system. Next is the proportioning valve for the rear
brakes. When adjusted properly....the big tires on the rear will lock-up
first in a panic stop, and allow the front end to be steered. Then the brake
light switch, hidden under the frame.

Moving forward we see the rear engine mount (tranny mount) which is
removable, as well as the power brake unit. The booster is a specially made
unit for TCI....in that it is much smaller than the usual large booster, and is
used under the cars. In hotties, there is little room under the car....most are
"slammed" (lowered to the ground). They resell several hundred of these
boosters per year.

The brake cylinder is an old Corvette item, that I guess is still plentiful new.
It uses a double sided, two valve, single line system....that uses that adjusting
valve.

The assy. bolts to a bracket welded to the frame. The round part on the top
is the pivot for the brake petal, which pushes directly on the booster rod.

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 1/19/2004 10:03:37 AM >


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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 8:24:32 AM   
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Up to the front now, we see the mount underneath for the front
4-bar set up, the front motor mounts, the bracket for the new
steering box, the front shock mount (upper), and the lower one
is the bracket for the front sway bar.

The front frame horn secures the front fenders, as well as the bumper
mounts, and a chrome spreader bar.

The very front center of the frame is a "U" shape. The front buggy spring
fits inside it, and is concealed. You can see a pin between the shackle bolts
that holds the spring on center. The guy that bent up the brake lines musta'
have known about the shackle bolts, huh ?

The end of the line for the brake lines....and our quick tour of the frame.
Those two chrome bars on the right are part of the front 4-bar system,
and that bar running across at an angle is the front sway bar (trick).

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 1/20/2004 12:17:51 AM >


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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 8:51:35 AM   
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Nothing bolts through the frame....everything either has a bracket for
it to go on....or if it has to be bolted to the frame....it uses these
threaded inserts set into the sides. Don't worry, they will not come out.

A shot of the steering box bracket, and some front end detail. The whole
steering system....from the horn button in a banjo steering wheel, down
through a shortened stainlees collum, to the ends of the control arms...
is all in chrome. Except for the front spring, the whole front end is chrome.

Some nifty old "hot rod" front end parts.

And a box of new parts that I hope I never have to buy again.

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 2/11/2004 2:36:07 AM >


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A mechanic says..."Oh yeah, watch this".
"Old Age, and Treachery will overcome youth and skill".
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RE: This old car.... - 1/19/2004 9:02:04 AM   
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Check out some of the other frame jobs going on at this shop.
This one is finished and gone now, but it's for a '57 Chevy pick-up.
They have their own paint booth out back....and man, their work
is outta' site ! Imagine, this much work going into painting a frame.

Every thing is brand new on this baby....and a pretty penny too.
Check the front A-arms and stuff....no front springs. Gonna use
an air-ride system.... ....See the gas tank in the back ? Hand-made,
all aluminum.

Check the paint job on this tranny....

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< Message edited by Flyboy Dave -- 1/20/2004 8:22:08 PM >


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An engineer says.... "That won''t work".
A mechanic says..."Oh yeah, watch this".
"Old Age, and Treachery will overcome youth and skill".
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