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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 9:53:35 PM   
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IT IS MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEN TO LEARN.

PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, SUCK SUCK SUCK IS NO USE AT ALL AND

TEDIOUS, VERY TEDIOUS

VITTORIO from Italy a beautiful country with intelligent persons (LEONARDO DA VINCI,
THE FATHER OF PLANES).

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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 9:57:43 PM   
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i paractise

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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 9:58:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		all i can susgest is go read my Cougar review on my site www.philsrcworld.fsnet.co.uk
that will tell you all the thigns i did to get where i am.
thats about as good as it gets.
as for rules about propping up wings with sticks, they suck as it slows the reactions, by the time you think "i'm wheels in, put the stick under the wing to prop it up" your in the floor. thats where the practice comes in, it has to be instinctive.
you want practice... when you goto bed and the lights are out you've got that 20-30 mins where you can't sleep coz your mind is racing. use that to "fly" your 3D plane, your mind can be very creative and you'll find it even better than a sim. as it's the last thing you think of at night it's effect is powerful, i've had students do this and seen a huge improvement when they come back next weekend.
try it, might work for you, or i might just be crazy

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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 10:42:23 PM   
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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 11:12:12 PM   
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Italian Flyer is very passionate about not practicing. Maybe if we called it "Stick Time" or something. Frankly, I think flying is fun. Especially 3D flying. I don't consider it practice, but rather, flying. In any event the result is the same. I get more stick time and continue to try and fly better than the last tank of fuel. The more experiance you gain, at anything, the better you get at it. I don't care if it is flying or trimming trees.

Now, I learned to fly on G2 and my first real plane was a H9 CAP 232. Even though I learned a lot from G2 with the GP CAP 232 version, that plane flew much differently than my real plane. I flew it around about 30 flights before I parked it at high speed and the wrong angle for a glide scope. Ok, I destroyed it on an ugly auggering. My point is that G2 was great for making a lot of the inputs for a planes attitude and path of trajectory instinctive. G2 was also very good for working out and committing to memory an Aresti program to later fly in the real world. But it was not the same as real world flying. I have never had to spend 10 - 12 flights on G2 to get a plane adjusted for perfect flying but have easily spent that time with a real plane to get close to perfect adjustments. Even if you edit the weather conditions and plane parrameters and physics, it will still be different. I have programed all of the numbers for my Flip 3D into G2 and tweeked a lot of the adjustables and it still won't harrier like my real plane.

So, I would say to Italian Flyer, that the first step is to get some altitude in the real world and try to perform what you think you have learned on G2. Use the lessons from G2 that have programed your thumbs or fingers what to do when this or that happens with the plane. Just do not expect the G2 plane and your Magic 3D to do the exact same thing with the exact same inputs. The reality is that it takes a lot of stick time and fuel burning to become completely proficent at 3D flying. Some people take more stick time than others. Untill you get the confidence level up so you can fly out of any situation with the real thing, remember that altitude is your friend.


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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 11:38:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		is this guy for real?? i was actually laughing going through this thread. Italian flyer......GO OUT AND FLY!!! dont practice...just go fly all you can and you will find your self getting better. Keep FLYING the 3d moves, you will get better....Don't practice...just fly...BTW Wright Brothers are the fathers of modern aviation, as is Charles Taylor.

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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 11:49:55 PM   
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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/25/2004 11:54:06 PM   
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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/26/2004 2:41:05 PM   
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RE: RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/26/2004 10:09:27 PM   
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THIS TOPIC IS NOT FOR THOSE WHO SAY: "PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE".

Our slogan is: "LEARNING 3D STEP BY STEP", with intelligence and fun.

Dear "Adrian-RCU", you are pure crap because you don't understand.

I REMEMBER TO ALL 3D BEGINNERS THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WASN'T ABLE TO LAND MY PLANE
WITHOUT A CRASH.

FINALLY I KNEW A VERY INTELLIGENT FRIEND THAT TOLD ME: "WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PLANE
IN FRONT OF YOU, MOVE SLOWLY THE STICK TOWARDS THE LOWER WING".

FROM THAT DAY I LEARNED TO LAND BETTER AND BETTER.

LITTLE TRICKS SOLVE DIFFICULT PROBLEMS.

But you, dear "Adrian-RCU", can't understand what TRICKS you use. You can not understand what you do
when you are flying.

IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THAN TO LEARN.

For this reason you can't explain what you do when you are flying 3D.

IF NO 3D EXPERT CAN SAY WHAT WE MUST DO TO LEARN WITHOUT
"PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE" CASUALLY WITHOUT A METHOD, FOLLOW ME.

I can't do hovering or torque roll, but I'm of the same nationality of LEONARDO DA VINCI.

I HAVE THOUGHT: SINCE OUTDOORS IT'S VERY COOL, WE CAN LEARN WITH REAL FLIGHT G2.
HAVE YOU READ WHAT I SAID UNTILL NOW?

WELL, I HAVE GOT ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL IDEA: THE WIND CAN BE OUR FRIEND.

YES, THE WIND, YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD WELL. THAT WIND WHICH HELP US
IN LANDINGS WHEN THE PLANE IS NEAR TO STALL.

I ASK FOR HELP TO "Errolw98" (FINALLY AN INTELLIGENT 3D EXPERT).
HOW MUST WE DO TO HAVE THE WIND IN FRONT OF OURSELVES?
IS 20 mph GOOD ENOUGH?

Thanks a lot

Vittorio from Italy a beautiful country with intelligent persons (LEONARDO DA VINCI, NOT ONLY "GIOCONDA"

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RE: RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/26/2004 11:20:41 PM   
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RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/26/2004 11:32:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me that I-F has a studdering problem. He keeps repeating himself.

Practice is practice, be it on a sim or plane. When you learn it on the sim, you apply the same to the plane and eventually you do it. Not going to happen instantly. Do what Philly says, practice practice practice.

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RE: RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/26/2004 11:56:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Italian-flyer
Vittorio from Italy a beautiful country with intelligent persons (LEONARDO DA VINCI, NOT ONLY "GIOCONDA"


Yo...Vic, There are a few givens here. Yes, Italy is a beautiful country, (the last three words in that statement you will have to sell me on). Yes, Leonardo was a great thinker, but it was his dreams and drawings that earned him the moniker "father of flight". He never attained human flight in his "ornithoptor". Actually he only fully completed a handfull of projects and they were all paintings. He took something that was established in nature and tried to adapt it. He saw a bird fly and thought that was a good idea. Now, actuall flight took place in a beautifull country with intellegent persons, right here in the USA. Self propelled, fixed wing aircraft, now thats a different story. They had an idea, from nature, and worked at it untill they achieved their goal. Know what thats called? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE !!!! Granted G2 is a great educational tool, but do me a favor and look up the word "simulator" A machine that simulates an environment or application. Can you say SIMULATE? By all means get as much stick time on that tool as you can but it will never replace real time in the air. Your on the right track but its a long and expensive journey with that attitude. And could you do me a favor and knock it off with the cutsie avitars? We're not on a date here. Joe

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RE: RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/27/2004 12:13:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		What's your favorite plane in G2 to practice 3D?

In real life I can hover my Magic Extra 300L but can't seem to do it very well in G2 at all. I also can't get a plane to flat spin in G2, maybe it's just me...

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RE: RE: www.Learning 3D step by step - 1/27/2004 12:40:49 AM   
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