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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/28/2004 2:21:07 AM   
Johnnylightning



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Status: offline 		And yet, another masterpiece! You've once again, outdone yourself!!!

*Q: You mentioned using "Ultracoat" for the base and I noticed that you're using black for the top of the wing. Well, we know how dark color covering reacts under direct sunlight. Is Ultracoat not affected in this way? I mean, will it not wrinkle and sag out at the field?

You're very talented. Your creations ROCK and should be displayed in a museum. Thanks for sharing your insight!!

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/28/2004 5:40:46 AM   
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no your right, the black absorbs the light/heat where the whites and other colors reflect light/heat, this is one your gonna want to keep in the shade when not flying it.

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/28/2004 5:54:30 AM   
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Could you tell us (or show a pic) of what your prefered covering and cutting tools are?

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/28/2004 9:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you CAN use Windex to apply Monokote OVER Ultracote but you cant use Windex to apply Ultracote over another piece of Monokote or Ultracote??

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/28/2004 10:08:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Red, I don't think opaque Ultracoat will work with on any surface due to its porous, adhesive backside. Not sure as I haven't tried the technique myself, however that's what I've gathered.

Let's wait 'n see what the Professor has to say...

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 1:53:42 AM   
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Red, I don't think opaque Ultracoat will work with on any surface due to its porous, adhesive backside. Not sure as I haven't tried the technique myself, however that's what I've gathered.

Let's wait 'n see what the Professor has to say...




I have heard that Ultracot + will laydown with windex and stay. I havent tried it yet, I have tried regular ultracoat, but that stuff just curled up on me the next day. I have used windex with success on Econokote and 21stCentury film


Bill I'll take a pic of the tools I use and post it here...G

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 2:01:00 AM   
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Red, I don't think opaque Ultracoat will work with on any surface due to its porous, adhesive backside. Not sure as I haven't tried the technique myself, however that's what I've gathered.

Let's wait 'n see what the Professor has to say...




I have heard that Ultracot + will laydown with windex and stay. I havent tried it yet, I have tried regular ultracoat, but that stuff just curled up on me the next day. I have used windex with success on Econokote and 21stCentury film


Bill I'll take a pic of the tools I use and post it here...G




I guess what Im asking is that you cant use a piece of Ultracote with windex on top of another piece of Ultracote but you CAN use Monokote/Windex on top of a piece of Ultracote

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RE: RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 4:49:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		you mean if the ultracote is the base and the monokote is going on over it? yea that will work.

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RE: RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 12:11:51 PM   
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you mean if the ultracote is the base and the monokote is going on over it? yea that will work.



YES!! Thats exactly what I mean!!

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RE: RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 1:38:00 PM   
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I layed down some transparent ultracoat with windex, then came back the next day and ironed it down with very LOW heat...G

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RE: RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 1/30/2004 9:47:05 PM   
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I have done this :
I layed down some transparent ultracoat with windex, then came back the next day and ironed it down with very LOW heat...G


That sounds like a good idea I am going to use transparent ultracote on my current project and will try that first before using the monokote..

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 2/5/2004 4:24:01 AM   
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I almost forgot, this small pieces of trans red where stuck in place with windex, then I came back the next day and used heat at a low temp setting so as not to blister the opague covering. The oapgue red was also layed down the same night, so trying to iron down the trans red would have really been bad new on the windex


Q: Does the trim solvent not work on the trans colors of either brand? In other words, if I place a piece of trans material on top of opaque or other trans, is it absolutely nessesary to use heat? If so, what temp?

Q: If I place a large piece of trans (dark color) over another piece of trans (light color), and then use heat, will any imperfections be visible, or does this method only work with trans on opaque?

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 2/6/2004 1:03:45 AM   
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I almost forgot, this small pieces of trans red where stuck in place with windex, then I came back the next day and used heat at a low temp setting so as not to blister the opague covering. The oapgue red was also layed down the same night, so trying to iron down the trans red would have really been bad new on the windex


Q: Does the trim solvent not work on the trans colors of either brand? In other words, if I place a piece of trans material on top of opaque or other trans, is it absolutely nessesary to use heat? If so, what temp?

Q: If I place a large piece of trans (dark color) over another piece of trans (light color), and then use heat, will any imperfections be visible, or does this method only work with trans on opaque?





Q1:not heat is necessary useing monokote, trim solvent should work with trans mono colors. Ultracoat will lay down with windex and it might try to fool you to make you think its will stay, but when useing Ultracoat , if I lay a large peice down with windex, I come back the next day and iron down at a low heat, say 150-200 F

Q2:I have done this on my burrito, its has ultracoat flames made of trans red and trans lite violet, I applied it with windex just to get it where I wanted it then came back later and ironed it down , I did get some imperfections because I was in a hurry, had the iron too hot and there had still been so windexresidue under the covering.

Heres what I would do if you want to try and use trans ultracoat. I'd lay it down with windex and let it sit overnight, then come back the next day and iron down low temp, I would still do trim solvent even thought it was designed for monokote, for all i know it may have no effect at all on ultracoat, but I do it anyway. Ive had a few instances where covering has blown off, but it was small peices like part of a letter or something like that, there is a pic on here somewhere of my HOME DEPOT SLEDGE makeing a KE pass the "O" in home , part of it is missing, but it was done with so-lite..

Hope this helps...Gator

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RE: Useing Heat and Windex to apply monokote graphics - 2/10/2004 11:26:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		So just for the newbi who is finishing up covering his super chipmunk with monokote and applying the graphics with monokote as well....

I can precut the monokote graphics, apply them with windex and a CC, hit the edges with some monokote trim solvent and be done with it...


By the way, those planes look amazing. I pitty the man that crashes one of those things

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