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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/11/2004 2:44:06 AM   
jdwardus


 

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Status: offline 		well i did learn by my self and have taught many others as well when some one ask me to help i do just that that includes checking the plane for flight worthyness.but you are right sh%#$ does happen my last trainy came where i fly and ask me to teach him to fly and so idid.i done a range check and checked all controll movement.then we were off.as soon as the plane climb high enough to trim i lost controll smashed the ground real good.are inspection revealed loose battery connection. i could not have known this because this was internal.HIS FAUGHT
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ORIGINAL: Test`Pilot

I do not agree with you, jdwardus

in our club we have a mutual understanding, instructors are there to help, teach you best they can, but if the plane goes down, oh well.
don't like it, learn by yourself!

more than once i've asked some of the more experienced pilots to fly my plane, and the first thing they said was, "you asked for it, not me"
which makes it MY choice, I know they will do their best to keep it up, but $hit happens.

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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/11/2004 10:56:57 PM   
conradj87


 

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Status: offline 		I think 50% is fair. If it was totalled id feel alot worse, but since its not all that bad, i think helping him get it running again would be a good deal

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/18/2004 3:24:55 AM   
h-ray-RCA



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Status: offline 		His fault 100%.


-One of the first things I learned when I began learning how to fly was that when an a/c came out of Mx you triple checked EVERYTHING. One of the first things I taught was that when an a/c came out of Mx you triple checked EVERYTHING.

-When he ambushed you by giving you the tx he took responsibility for giving you an airplane ready for flight. It wasn't.


But learning from others, if this ever happens to me I'll make a 180 and return the airplane to the pits for a detailed preflight, including the repairs he made. If you had hit something the court would have probably come after you.

The gracious thing would be to help him rebuild it, and help him make up a preflight checklist for his airplanes. At least you both were able to walk away from it.


Good Luck

< Message edited by h-ray-RCA -- 2/19/2004 10:52:04 PM >

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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/18/2004 6:45:28 AM   
MR Flyer57



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Status: offline 		Hi CafeenMan,
Great thread,
This is a question that needs a lot of thought, and has been around as long as we have been flying RC planes.
I think that airdoggy has the right idea, but I would just like to give you the rule of thumb that our club, and other clubs around here have decided on.

If you walk up to someone and ask to fly their plane it is your baby and your fault if it crashes. You can't pay for it or fix it, don't ask to fly it.

If someone asks you to fly their plane, then it is their problem.
this includes trainers.

These are hard and fast around here, but are mixed with a big helping of "man I'm sorry, and I will help you fix it".

If you were asked to fly someones plane and did something stupid, you should try and work it out, and maybe pay for it, but it isn't required.

You shoot someone down, you fix it or get them another plane. Watch you freq tags!

Modify your response to the conditions at the time and use the above as your guide.
Be as fair as you can, because you have to live with yourself and the others at the field.

In your case, your only fault was a small misjudgment when checking out his airplane. Not a reason to buy him a plane.
When he handed the transmitter to you, no one would have flown it successfully. Not him, not you, not anyone. That part is on him.

Conclusion: You may feel guilty (and should) about the faulty check out of the plane, but you have no fault about the crash, stuff happens. If he would of had 10 people check out his plane who would be at fault then? (happened to me, they checked it, I crashed it)

If someone else had crashed it, you would have felt bad about giving it a bad once over, but that would have not been enough reason for you to have replaced the plane.

You should feel bad about the bad check over and offer to help him fix it, but you do not owe him anything.

The way we say it here is,,,, you screwed up son,,, you trusted me!!!

To check over somebody's plane does not make you liable, if done in good faith. Unless your getting paid. He checked it, and missed the mistake, you checked it and also missed it. It happens.

Crashes happen, don't let it get you down.

Just my thoughts, and our rules!!

MR Flyer57

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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/19/2004 2:16:27 AM   
jdwardus


 

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Status: offline 		YEA YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO PAY FOR ANT THING I MEEN HE ASK YOU TO FLY IT.BUT IT WAS YOUR FAULT IT CRASHED. I DIDNT MEEN YOU SHOULD BUY HIM A PLANE

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 7:04:29 PM   
F4U Killer


 

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ORIGINAL: Falcon Jet

I crashed someone else's airplane several years ago, but not quit the way you did. I was doing a range check with mine, not realizing that moments before someone else took off on my frequency! Once I realized what I did, I fessed up and paid the man 100% for his airplane. God, I felt horrible and will never forget it. Now when I go out to the field, I pay very close attention to the frequency board! I know how you feel. I think I'd offer this guy 50% or offer to repair his plane. Have done quit a few crash repairs on mine (and others) planes. Not that difficult if you know what your doing. If he declines, then let it go. Chock it up to experience like I did and move on.

As far as Tork25's comments, ignore them.

Chris.


I did something like this a year ago. I went to a little spot that I thought was secluded to find 3 others there already flying. (So much for dry lake beds in the desert) Anyway there was guy that shared the same freguency that I did.

When he was done flying I made sure his radio was off before I flew. I finished my flight and as I was taxing to my Truck his partner came over to BS with me. I shut my plane down, I reached down and turn the power off to the plane when the guy really started talking and took my attention away from what I was doing. I turned and set my Radio on the hood of my Truck and started Talking.
The one with the plane asked if I was done and I said yes. He started his plane and started to Taxi when it went to full power and ran into a 4 wheeler tire about 3 ft from me.
Everyone stood there in shock for a minute, and as I was standing there. I had the realization, that because I had become distracted that I might not have turned my Radio off.
Well low and behold it was still on and I had bumped it to half throttle when I set it on the truck.

Since I was Dumb enough to leave my radio on I felt responsible for it and I bought him a new plane.

But I also believe that he should have made sure my Radio was off before he decided to fly the same way I did with his.

I made one more flight and was feeling really bad about what happened and the wind was starting to come up a bit so I decided to put my plane up.

This same guy had another plane and decided to fly that one. He took off and promptly crashed that one. He came running over to me and I told him that one wasn't my fault and that my radio was turned off and in the Truck.

I had told this story to some at the Local flying field and many of them said I didn't owe the guy anything.

This was my reintroduction back to RC sports I had only been flying again for 3 months after a 17 yr break.

I chalked it up to lessons learned.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 7:46:54 PM   
multicasting



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Status: offline 		What a mess.

This guy has been flying for FIVE years and wanted you to do a check flight on an LT 40? When I take a plane out for the first time, I might have another pair of eyes check it over with me. I'll even have a senior pilot fly it if I am concerned about my ability to respond to a failure. I have lost an aircraft twice to building errors that occured on my building bench. Never did I expect the check pilot to be responsible for it. Not even when an 18 year pilot took an aerobatic up through moves that were so violent that the elevator snapped.

I can't believe anyone in this forum would hold you even remotely responsible for a rookie mistake made by a five year vet.

I also would never have flown it without a complete ground test. Now, I did have a situation where a pilot had a medical issue and suddenly handed me a TX. I was able to land the plane without incident. But this was not a first flight.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 8:48:33 PM   
Falcon Jet



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Status: offline 		I definately know how you feel. Your responsible for his first plane, but definately not the second. When it happened to me I was at an AMA field. I too was BS'ing with someone else when I decided to check my plane out prior to the flight. I had checked the frequency board not even 5 minutes before, but because I was talking to someone else, forgot to cover it with my card. I didn't think anything about it when I turned my xmitter on, then moments later the other guy crashed. He did the right thing by putting his card on the board, unfortunetely, it was after I had checked it and thought it was clear. When his plane went in I thought he was going to deck me, he was about twice the size of me. But since I immediatley fessed up to it, he was cool about it. The only thing I could think of doing was to leave immediately, which I did. A week later I sent him a check for the total cost of his plane. For several months after that, I received nothing but jeers and finger pointing every time I went back out there from other people. After awhile, that got very old, so I went somewhere else to fly. I did the right thing and paid the man, it was just between him and I, unfortunely others couldn't see it that way and I quickly became black-balled at the field. It's very unfortunate what I did happened, but you know what, it wasn't the first time something like that has happened and it won't be the last. People are human and do make mistakes, at least I was man enough to admit it and did the right thing. It's too bad others couldn't see it that way!

Chris.

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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 9:15:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chris - Personally, I think the other guy should have told the rest of the members that you two had worked it out between you and that you did do the right thing. Even though you did make a mistake, you paid for that mistake, but the club members were really out of line. It's too bad some people are like that. It's even worse when a whole bunch of people are like that. I probably would have left that club too.

- Paul

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RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 9:19:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mstroh3961

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ORIGINAL: CafeenMan

This situation was resolved several days ago.


Dont keep us in suspence! How was it resolved?



yeah, tell us dude

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RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 10:19:40 PM   
CafeenMan



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ORIGINAL: Blue_Moon_

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ORIGINAL: mstroh3961

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ORIGINAL: CafeenMan

This situation was resolved several days ago.


Dont keep us in suspence! How was it resolved?



yeah, tell us dude



quote:

ORIGINAL: CafeenMan

Well, I do honestly feel really bad for it and this thread was not intended to gather support to get me off the hook. I called the man yesterday and offered to have him bring his plane over and we would get it fixed. Actually, he would stand at watch the master at work and maybe learn something.

He said that he would think about it and get back to me. So at this point my conscience is clear. If he takes me up on it, I will fix anything on his plane that needs fixing to include replacing those EZ-connectors with solder clevises or maybe quick connectors with L-bends or something better than what he has now.

Thanks for all your comments. I'm glad some people had the courage to state that I was 100% responsible even though I don't entirely agree with that. But I was afraid I would get too many responses absolving me of all blame which wouldn't be honest or fair.

- Paul


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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 10:28:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, did it went that way then?

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RE: RE: RE: Your honest thoughts please - 2/22/2004 10:30:30 PM   
Falcon Jet



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Status: offline 		Thanks Paul,

Ya, your right. The other Gentleman claimed that he did in fact tell everyone else it was over (on my request), but that didn't seem to matter. As far as some of the older gentleman in the Club were concerned, I shot him down and that's all that mattered, period. It's too bad a few can take a bad situation and make it worse. A couple months after the incident, when I thought it was done and over with, I had a guy come up to me and ask "Have you shot down anyone lately?". It was then when I decided to fly somewhere else, obviously after I told him my beliefs about him minding his own business. This particular club is well known for having their own "click", if you didn't belong then you were treated like &%$#. Hope they have a good time, I'll never go back!

Is there anyone else out there that has had a similar experience?

Chris.

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