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*RESOLVED* Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 5:38:35 PM

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On Saturday I was at the field when one of our members who is known to be a disaster asked me to check out his plane. This person usually shows up with airplanes that are really scary. In one case, he had a banana shaped, cardboard plane that had a 1/2" x 3/4" leading edge stick. It wasn't sanded - just a flat stick.

Anyway, on Saturday he had a Sig LT 40 that actually looked good. I went over the plane from front to back and checked everything. Other than having a really sloppy EZ connector on the elevator, it looked good - nothing about to fall off, everything tight, etc. So I headed back to where I was set up and was going to start up my plane.

In the mean time, he had started his plane and was carrying it out to the runway. He called me over and handed me the box. I'm not his instructor and I wasn't expecting to fly the plane. So, I taxied it out, wiggled the controls and took off. As soon as it took off I started making a turn away from the pits and it rolled the wrong way. Before I knew it, it was in the ground and I was sure the ailerons were backwards.

My normal mode of doing things is to turn on the radio and check the controls before starting the engine. His request for me to fly caught me off-guard. Also, he has been flying for a long time and it was a stupid mistake on his part. I've never had backward ailerons.

Nevertheless, I was the one flying the plane. If I were his instructor, then I would say I was 100% responsible for the crash. The way things happened, I would put my responsibility at about 50%.

Just wondering what other people think about it. BTW - he didn't say anything one way or the other to me about it. Most of his planes don't last a week, so this was nothing new for him, but that's beside the point.

Feedback?

- Paul

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 7:00:45 PM

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I would agree with 50%.
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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 7:42:31 PM

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I would think if you went over the whole plane for him that should be part of it. I always tell peolpe bad things happen. If you want me to fly your plane realize that. I think 50% If you can fly you should run you own flight check. I do instruct and have seen bad things happen.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 8:00:41 PM

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i agree with b-mccor8! sometimes **** happens and evryone should be prepard for thaat.
bytheway did you plant it nice?

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 8:14:10 PM

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I would think if you went over the whole plane for him that should be part of it.

It probably should have been, but I was concerned with the structure and linkages.

Yes, it got planted nicely. Whole nose is busted up. Wing and aft fuselage is fine.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 8:20:59 PM

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You let an LT-40 get away from you with your extensive experience? I'm not sure you'll ever live that one down...

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 8:28:01 PM

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You let an LT-40 get away from you with your extensive experience? I'm not sure you'll ever live that one down...

lol... well, most of the guys in the club came up to me afterward and said, "don't worry about <insert name here> is a menace."

But I'm not giving myself that excuse. There was nothing wrong with the plane. But I never ever said I'm a good pilot. In fact, most guys who have been flying 2 years are better pilots than me.

And now I know what happens when ailerons are backwards. In however many years I've been flying, I've never taken off with a control backwards before. Over before I knew what happened.

Oh well... I've learned a few lessons here. The first one is not to fly other people's planes. There are others more qualified than me to do that.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 11:12:38 PM

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If I crash another modelers plane and it's my fault then I would replace it. You should always check the controls before you fly, that could be done when the plane is on the ground waiting to take off. You had the option of saying "no" to his request to fly, by saying yes it was your responsibility to check out the control throws before you took off. The plane was doomed if either of you flew it, pilot error, that's you!

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 11:40:38 PM

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If you were trying to wring it out and it crashed then I would say 50% or more. Just flying around, then I would say 0%

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 11:55:56 PM

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why do you want our "honest thoughts", is it becase you're thinking about buying the disaster a new plane?

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/26/2004 11:59:43 PM

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why do you want our "honest thoughts", is it becase you're thinking about buying the disaster a new plane?
kind regards

The plane isn't totalled, so nobody needs to buy a new one. It can be fixed to almost like new. I am wondering what would be fair to offer though.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 12:04:43 AM

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Whether the guy can fly or not he is your fellow club member. Should you offer to help, YES. Will he accept, maybe. Flying is only as good as your fellowship, if it sucks so will flying. Friends often lye in the darkest corners. -Brenden

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 1:06:49 AM

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Lt-40 with a bloody nose. No problem 6.00 to 8.00 bucks worth of ply and a couple of hours relaxing it'll be good as new. I've bent more than my share and it's really not a big thing. The guy surprised you with a plane that was by your account far better than he usually has. Then he threw you a bit of a curve asking you to fly it, and you forgot to check the throws. I'd offer to help the guy rebuild it at most and if he accepted pay for half or so. Maybe by working with this fella a little would be like running him through a twit filter, and he could come back from the DARK SIDE.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 2:10:52 AM

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Help him rebuild.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 2:11:18 AM

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Help him rebuild.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 2:14:20 AM

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Don'no what happened with the double post.

Teach him how to be less of a menance.

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RE: Your honest thoughts please - 1/27/2004 2:58:19 AM

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I don't think you owe him anything. If a guy asks for help, that's one thing. Expecting the helping person to assume liability is another. I always say something like "I'll do every thing I can to bring it home safe, but I can't b