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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 7/24/2006 10:42:54 PM   
    DWayner


     

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    Hello Dai,

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    Dwayner, You should also contribute in the Radio forum as a person with the knowledge like your can help many RCers out immensely. I have heard pros and cons about this system though. A person who is an expert in RC flying told me that " intereferences are impossibility!". We have some radio hits at Ballon Park that I am now extremely fearful of flying my scale planes out there.


    I will have to learn this site a little better. I am still trying to get used to it. All R/C radios nowadays use FM transmission. How they transmit that signal PCM etc. is all done on a FM carrier.

    The receiver receives that FM signal and "reads" the information being sent. When it reads the information, it makes a decision.

    a. Is it from a transmitter of the right kind?
    b. Is it from a transmitter of another kind? (False Signal).
    c. Is the signal the from the *CORRECT* transmitter?

    If the signal is correct and all ok, your receiver will respond by moving the correct servo. If the signal is incorrect, your receiver may do any number of things..(depending upon how the receiver is programmed, and/or the age.

    1. It will "remember the very last correct transmitter signal" and do nothing to the servos.
    2. It will "attempt to correct" and some will kill the throttle.
    3. It way attempt to evaluta the signal and adjust the servos accordingly... thus that "adrupt" airplane "Jerk" that people see when a R/C airplane suddenly does a exteme uncontrolled and unwanted dance in the sky.

    All of these are unwanted. None of these are unavoidable. Some can be controlled to some extent (that is why FM is used, and why PCM and other data transmission types are used).

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    BTW: Dwayner and I have been friends for 20 years who I met at the RC flying field in 1985. He is who got me started in RC flying! Welcome to RCU Dwayner!!!


    Thanks bud!... It was damn great seeing you again. Look forward to seeing you in the near future...

    Your Bro.

    Dwayne

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/7/2006 4:13:30 PM   
    Dai Phan



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    Hi all,

    I did some more on my bird this weekend. Not satisfied with the kit provided plywood undercarriage panel, I fabricated mine from soft balsa sheet. I then prime with wood primer (Duplicolor sandable high fill primer) then start the "wood making " process. First, I give a base coat of tan, followed by a wash of brown. Then after everything is dried, I used medium sandpaper to expose the wood grain. The last step is important because it makes the wood aged and weathered. I am making the cabane struts now before rigging. My bird is almost done... DP

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/7/2006 4:44:54 PM   
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    Thats interesting DWayner. I've just dealt with a RX issue thats very similar in a plane I had just maidened. I don't think it was interference though, but an issue with the RX. I had issues with this reciever in another plane previous to this one, (sudden elevetor jerks etc.) and thought it was my TX. Sent the TX into Futaba for testing, came back clean. So I figured it was nothing serious, everything else (connections/servos/batteries etc.) seemed to check out ok. So I decided to keep using it. About a month later after takeoff with this same plane, I was trying to trim out after takeoff. the bird became uncontrollable and went in. Total write off. No big deal it was a beater biplane anyway. So I took all the guts, checked them over well, and put them in this new Fokker DVII I built. Beautifull bird and a sweet flyer. Maidened her with this set up, everything went fine. Ok, second flight, takeoff is a dream, am doing slow circuits around the strip to trim out at about 45feet height. Not much trim is needed really but I'm tweaking the ailerons just a click or two, when the plane starts to climb nose up. I didn't do this! So I try to correct- No response, plane slowly rolls onto its back, enters tail spin nose down and spirals in. None of my control inputs affecting it in the least. I hit various things on the way down to see if I had any effect. No flight controls worked! but I did chop the throttle right before impact. I know that the control surfaces were not working because I tried to counter act the spin with opposite rudder and ailerons and there was no effect. Blipping the elevator also had no effect. My conclusion-bye bye reciever, time for a replacement!! Good news is that amazingly she wasn't totaled. I'll be done repairing her this week. A snapped top wing spar, new firewall and engine mount, but other than that she's good. Anyway, didn't mean to hijack this thread. Beautifull work Dai Phan, we want a flight report! and hopefully by all of us sharing information like this we can avoid such things as happened to me with such nice aircraft.

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/7/2006 4:56:22 PM   
    Dai Phan



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    Hi Zoom Zoom,

    I did bought the DX6 and that will go into the airplane as it is the best thing that can prevent from radio hits. I will fly the plane nearby although 3000 feet range is more than what is needed for this bird. From what has happened to my Tiger Moth, I am still haunted until this day. I still get eulogies from people a year after it crashed! Thanks Lord I have it repaired and ready to fly again. What saved me from total destruction is that the firewall was weak so it absorbed all the energy sparing other vital structures. Anybody making any progress on their Albatros? DP

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/7/2006 5:46:36 PM   
    DWayner


     

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    Hello ZoomZoom,


    quote:

    Thats interesting DWayner. I've just dealt with a RX issue thats very similar in a plane I had just maidened. I don't think it was interference though, but an issue with the RX. I had issues with this reciever in another plane previous to this one, (sudden elevetor jerks etc.) and thought it was my TX
    .

    It will almost *always* be your receiver. The Transmitter will only fail if loss of power, or incorrect transmitting data. This is extremely rare...

    Your receiver is the most important device on your airplane. It *must* be able to distinguish between a transmitter signal. Not only that, if another signal (that is not the correct transmitter) happens to be captured by the receiver (whether it is a harmonic of another frequency, the same frequency of another transmittter, your receiver must be able to react accordingly.

    FM works great, because it has the inhereted grace of receiving the strongest signal. AM does not have this ability. Most folks *think* that FM means more "Quite". This is a "somewhat" false saying. What people do not realize, is FM takes the strongest signal over the weakest. AM does not. *and* FM signals are usually transmitted in the higher frequencies because of bandwidth. The higher the frequency, the less noise you have. One can think of it like your car radio... at night time, tune in on a AM station... then switch to FM. The FM stations are at least 98 times higher frequency.

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    Sent the TX into Futaba for testing, came back clean. So I figured it was nothing serious,


    Yep.... I should have. the very last thing to check. A very GOOD way to check a transmitter, is to put that antennta down do your walkaway, and SQUEEZE the transmitter. (it doesn't take much) If you loose control (or it starts glitching), then you know it is the transmitter.

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    Not much trim is needed really but I'm tweaking the ailerons just a click or two, when the plane starts to climb nose up. I didn't do this! So I try to correct- No response, plane slowly rolls onto its back, enters tail spin nose down and spirals in. None of my control inputs affecting it in the least. I hit various things on the way down to see if I had any effect. No flight controls worked! but I did chop the throttle right before impact.


    Ouch, sorry to hear about that. I hate it when I see airplanes go in. One other thing to check, is DISTANCE. I have seen airplanes fly very close ok, but when they get out there, they start glitching... the cause???? BROKEN ANTENNA! And this will NOT show up on range check very easily...sometimes not at all!

    Another thing to remember, is some folks have a throttle killer, so that when a signal is not received properly, it kills the engine. This will sometimes interfere with the receiver...I have seen this only one time in my life, but I have not forgotten it. How it interfered, I am not sure. Since it did not have a "Crystal" to generate a frequency, the only thing I could conclude, is improper grounding on the IC Chip...thus a fluke of a accident.

    Dwayne

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/8/2006 7:19:39 PM   
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    Hello all,

    I am at the stage where I will install the control linkages. What do you guys use as control horns that are accurate in the WW1 period? Thanks Dai

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/8/2006 8:47:43 PM   
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    Dia, I made my own. As far as I know there aren't any commercially available one that look scale. I bought some G10 from Frank Tiano. It comes in a variety of thicknesses. I ordered a sheet of each. I shaped the horns and cut them out and glued them in the ailerons and rudder. The elevator had a metal horn and rod connecting both elevator halves.

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/10/2006 7:21:37 PM   
    Dai Phan



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    Hi ,

    Is there a material that I can buy at the LHS or hardware store to make the horns? I noticed that Proctor uses Micarta and someone suggested hard plywood? DP

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/12/2006 5:35:45 AM   
    hdmcnc


     

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    WOW!
    This thread has been very helpful. Every bird I've seen is very impressive. Very inspirational. The Albi is my favorite, followed by the DRI.

    I have built several display models (large scale), and only from plans I laid-out myself. I have never flown a R/C model. I look forward to much advice from members of this forum. It will be well received!

    I hope my experience as a custom furniture maker and teacher will help me fit in. I have lots of questions...but I promise not to post them all at once.

    My first regards weight for a flying version: What should I expect this plane to weigh-in-at in 1/6 scale? I plan to go electric too (I will wait to go gas until I can layout and machine a scale replica of the DIII engine(working, that is). I have some ideas regarding furniture grade veneer as a sheathing for the fuselage. It is thinner, yet stronger, than balsa (not to mention, much easier to replicate the origional), but I'm not sure how it will compare weight-wise. I'll be photo etching aluminum parts for the radiator.

    Has anyone but me noticed the masonic nature of the emblems emblazoned on the sides of these aircraft?

    Be gentle. I'm new to this side of this Kraft. Tut mir leid.

    ThcuB,

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/12/2006 7:27:42 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: hdmcnc
    I have never flown a R/C model. I look forward to much advice from members of this forum.


    Keep the dream alive! But first accept a simple truth: You will need to learn to fly RC with a trainer type model (check out the beginner forum). A scale model of any sort will not be your first, second, or perhaps even third RC model. Think in terms of a couple of years from now. While the Balsa USA eindecker 40, which is meant to look something like the Fokker EIII, is a pretty gentle flyer even that isn't a suitable first model. This is the hard truth.

    A second hard truth is that you'll need to join an RC flying club (and join the AMA).

    But if you keep your "eye on the prize" (that gorgeous DrI WAY down the line) then you'll eventually get there. Welcome to RCU. You won't find a more helpful group.


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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/12/2006 3:32:35 PM   
    BobH


     

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    Dia, check with a radio shack or similar store in your area. You can use PC board material of a suitable thickness as well. You can also use Airc raft ply. The only problem I see with using ply is that the holes for the linkage might wobble open after lots of use. If you glass the ply then that would probably work just fine.
    If you buy a sheet or two of the G10 you'll have enough to last you a lift time..just a thought!

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    RE: Albatros D.III Build along - 8/13/2006 2:11:18 AM   
    hdmcnc


     

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    Thanks abufletcher.

    Advice well received. I figured as much. I plan to use some of the time between now and completing to learn "how to fly". My main objective is to create a museum quality model. I'm not as concerned about my ability to create the visual, where I lack is in the practical experience of making it flyable (but of course, it has to be flyable). I'd be just as happy at this point if the model were flyable by an experienced R/C pilot.

    I suppose one could say that when I dream...I really dream big.

    The first truth seems self evident. Why the second? Is R/c flying regulated (and this probably says more about how little I know of this hobby)? Needless to say, everyone has to start somewhere.

    Any advice on the weight of a 1/6 scale model? I haven't decided if I will buy a kit, or create this model from plans. I have a CNC machine and laser-cutter head for it. My best friend is a mechanical engineer. We've reviewed a couple of plans, and have discovered some methods for lightening the tail-end without compromising the structural integrity.

    I appreciate your advice, and look forward to more in the future.

    Thanks!

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