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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 12:42:51 AM   
    Hammbone



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    From: Fort Collins, CO, USA
    Status: online     		By the way, I'm still deciding between the DA 100 and the BME 110 for my 2.6m Comp Arf Extra 330. I'll be very interested to hear how your two planes end up balancing out.
    I believe MR G is using a DA 100, and figueroa is using a ZDZ 80 (which weighs about the same as the BME 110).

    Thanks, Jim

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 12:50:31 AM   
    figueroa



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    From: Punta Gorda, FL, USA
    Status: online     		Hi Mr G,
    I ordered the house scheme. I'll let you know how it looks on Monday. I hope it gets here in good shape. I will keep you posted. You might see a change in your status tomorrow. I think the updates on the status is done in Hong Kong.
    Hope you hear soon....
    jef

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: MR G

    Hi figueroa,

    I just checked my stsus...still reads processed.

    What paint scheme do you go with?

    After you recieve yours and check it out please let me know how it all looks.

    I'm getting really pumped up for it now, loookong forward to hearing about yours.


    < Message edited by figueroa -- 1/31/2004 7:51:44 PM >

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 4:36:23 AM   
    MR G



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    From: San Antonio, TX, USA
    Status: offline     		figueroa,

    My 2.6 is also the House scheme, I think it is the best one offered.

    What is your servo and electronics set up going to be.
    I don't know what I am going to do yet, I am reading alot of posts trying to find a simple reliable setup.
    This is my first gasser, I have recently learned that I will need a choke servo and an engine kill servo. I hadn't thought of those issues yet so I am trying to get an understanding of gasser setups. It is obviously different than the glow setups I am familiar with.

    I find myself almost as excited about your 2.6 as I am mine. Shoot a few pics if you can, I'll do the same.

    Have fun, and good flyin

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 5:32:44 AM   
    Flyfalcons



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    From: Bonney Lake, WA, USA
    Status: offline     		You don't need a choke or ignition kill servo; I have neither on my plane. With the DA-100, you can reach in the cowl to choke the engine. As far as ignition kill goes, I just have my ignition battery on a switch up front so I can shut the engine down if for some reason I can't with the radio.

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 5:34:58 AM   
    figueroa



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    From: Punta Gorda, FL, USA
    Status: online     		Mr G,
    The Extra 330 will be my first gasser too, I started flying power planes about eight months ago.
    I have a Dave Patrick 330 with an OS 160 and a U-Can Do 46 which I really enjoy flying .

    My electronics will be Hitec 5945 for all moving surfaces and standard servos for my choke and throttle, dual Futaba 9 channel PCM receivers powered by 2 5 cell 2700 nmh packs and a 1600 nmh pack for the ignition on a ZDZ 80 single.

    My rep lives about 20 miles from me and offered to help me with the set up. He also has the program for the Futaba 9z which he will copy to my radio. There are two 330s at my local flying club which I can use as reference . At this point I have almost all I need to get started.
    I have a lot to learn about gas engines and large scales planes can't wait to get started.
    jef

    < Message edited by figueroa -- 2/1/2004 12:45:14 AM >

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/1/2004 6:30:22 AM   
    Shortman



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    From: Clovis, CA, USA
    Status: offline     		figueroa, please post all the pictures and information you can when you go to set-up your plane with the ZDZ 80. I am curious on the weight and balancing of the plane as well as performance.


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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/2/2004 1:40:03 AM   
    famousdave


     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons

    You don't need a choke or ignition kill servo; I have neither on my plane. With the DA-100, you can reach in the cowl to choke the engine. As far as ignition kill goes, I just have my ignition battery on a switch up front so I can shut the engine down if for some reason I can't with the radio.



    Let me tell you why you always want a choke servo or a way to kill the engine from the radio. My DA 50 powered plane encountered an unexplained linkage bind in flight recently. Basically, I had throttle control down to about 3000 RPM, way too hot to land. I got the plane over the runway and killed the engine with the choke and deadsticked it in for a perfect incident free landing.

    Had I not been able to kill it, I would have had to fly out the tank and then have an unpredicted deadstick landing which is always more risky.

    When I got the cowl off, the collar on the throttle shaft slipped ever so slightly (my fault) but a 2 cent screw could have downed a $2000 airplane.

    I see fellow flyers skip this important element and scratch my head every time.... I guarantee there will be a time you will wish you had that kill switch!!!

    DP

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/4/2004 1:41:42 AM   
    MR G



    Posts: 576
    Joined: 12/20/2002
    From: San Antonio, TX, USA
    Status: offline     		Hey Figuero,

    Have you recieved your 2.6 M Composite yet?

    Check the box carefully, let me know what you find.

    Thanks

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/4/2004 7:07:32 PM   
    Stratos



    Posts: 390
    Joined: 7/16/2002
    From: Somerset, NJ, USA
    Status: offline     		desertpig,

    what happen to the "keep it simple..... keep it light" I see on your signature?


    I too had a throttle linkage malfunction on my 2.6m DA100 equipped extra, where the throttle
    got stuck somewhere in between.

    Run out the fuel and deadsticked in. There isn't much to dead stick a plane in
    when you know the deadstick is coming. Take it high, plan your approach and wait.

    I fixed the problem by making a better linkage (instead of the cheap one
    I elected to use in the first place). A better linkage would had
    saved you too. A 'choke servo' never crossed my mind. I always though of choke servos
    only necessary in installations where you do have to have one (choke lever
    buried somewhere in the motor box)

    So my point is this: Let's try to address the problem itself instead
    of masking it with additional layers of complexity.

    At least that's my approach, but people should do whatever makes them happy and comfortable.
    There are always more than one way to do the same thing. Aren't choices great??

    Stratos.-

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/4/2004 9:07:38 PM   
    DKjens



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    From: Pasadena, CA, USA
    Status: offline     		Stratos,
    I fully understand your point, but I still think having a way from your Tx other than the throttle servo to kill your engine is good. I don't think anybody here are saying that the throttle linkage should not be fixed, if wrong, or should not be made as reliable as possible. Forget about loosing throttle servo in the air, sure, anybody can dead stick one of these planes, especially when expected. I am thinking more about the dangers of a run away throttle on one of these engine when taxiing, especially when taxiing back to the pits after a flight. I always hold my finger on the switch for the choke as I get closer to the pits, ready to flip the switch just in case something goes haywire.
    DKjens

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/4/2004 10:06:56 PM   
    Richo



    Posts: 94
    Joined: 11/26/2002
    From: Bendigo, AUSTRALIA
    Status: offline     		Hi Guy's

    It surprises me that most of you do not have an on board kill switch. While I agree that the need seldom arises, but when it does, it will be the best piece of equipment you will of fitted. I have seen many occasions when a kill switch was imperative, ie: propellers delaminating or spliting, hats blowing into the propeller, run away children or animals, failed throttle servo's and the like.
    I have been using a 10amp single pole kill switch on my ignition for the past 2 years, almost everyone I fly with uses one and I'm yet to see one fail.
    The way I have set up the switch is simple and does away with the external on/off switch. the switch is power through the receiver and is only active when the receiver is on. So when you turn off the receiver you also kill the power to the ignition. The switch is programable, I operate mine from my gear switch but I have also used it mixed to my throttle so it activated on low throttle trim. The swicth weighs less that 100 grams and as you can dispence with the ignition on/off switch there is no weight penalty. I personally wouldn't build a model without a way of killing the engine from the transmitter. It's a safety issue worth thinking about. IMO

    link for the switch I have been using:
    http://www.users.bigpond.com/uwhizz/page4.html

    I'm sure there must be someone in the USA that has this type of switch, but world wide freight is really good these days.

    Cheers

    Richo

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/5/2004 1:54:40 AM   
    Shortman



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    Joined: 2/25/2002
    From: Clovis, CA, USA
    Status: offline     		Alright, I am not a JR guy, and I am going to try JR 8611s when the time comes to buy them. However, with the standard 9 servos, how many matchboxes are you guys using?


    Steven


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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/5/2004 4:07:46 AM   
    Flyfalcons



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    From: Bonney Lake, WA, USA
    Status: offline     		I am running two, one on each aileron. I used computer mixing for the elevator servos (they don't fight each other anyway) as well as a mix for the two rudder servos. If you don't have a trimmable mix available for the elevators or rudder, then you'll need a Y or matchbox there too.

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    RE: Composite-Arf 2.6 Extra 330 - 2/5/2004 4:57:42 AM   
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