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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 2/23/2004 12:07:35 AM   
jessiej



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Status: offline 		Fire extinguishers are a wise precaution. I keep two in my shop, several in the house and one in each vehicle. I have used the extinguisher in my truck twice to put out fires in other vehicles, one of which was a pickup with a drum of gasoline in the back.

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 2/23/2004 6:46:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dont know much about that type of fuel but alot of petroleum products will self combust if left in the open (ie a soaked rag most times) and teh conditions are right. i know tung oil and linseed oil (wood finishing oils) will both do this and have heard a few cases of just plain motor oil and gasoline. or it could have reacted w/ something kinda like when you mix brake fluid w/ chlorine. im highschool i worked for one of those "jiffy lube" oil change places and ALL rags had to go into a sealed metal container at the end of the day. just my theory anyway.

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 2/24/2004 9:48:08 PM   
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If it was just fuel, the cloth would have been just fine. It's kinda neat, but soak a rag in alcohol and burn it. It will burn itself out in a minute or two, and you'll notice the rag is now wet. Since there's quite a bit of water in alcohol, after the alcohol burns off it will leave the rag wet and unburnt. Since airplane fuel is almost all alcohol (the nitro in glow fuel is less explosive/flammible then alcohol) the same thing will happen.


No! Sure the alcohol will burn off, but there is a good amount of oil in glow fuel. Pour a quart of oil on a rag and light it on fire and plan on cooking dinner on it Oil burns for a long time (Hannakuh) and will be ignitied by the alcohol already burning! If you want to test this, take a glass beaker of glow fuel (50mL) and set it on fire... once all of the nitro has burned, the oil is now undergoing a sustaned burn and will continue to burn until no oil remains.
Sorry, but I was an Engineering student at the University of Alabama and loved to play with fire. And I did do the glow fuel burn test just to see what happens.

Extinguish burning glow fuel ASAP! Good job w/ the quick response to that fire.

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/8/2004 3:45:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Take a fuel jug with very little fuel left, shake vigorously, remove cap, use long lighter! WOW! I'm gonna try it lying on it's side next to see how far it will go! Hey Yall, watch this!

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/8/2004 4:04:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Randy. It was probably vapors from the fuel sitting in the silencer/combustion chamber that ignited, rather than the actual liquid. They go boom!

Glad nothing got too hurt,

Dan

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/8/2004 7:25:41 AM   
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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/8/2004 2:48:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LancelowDowell

If it was just fuel, the cloth would have been just fine. It's kinda neat, but soak a rag in alcohol and burn it. It will burn itself out in a minute or two, and you'll notice the rag is now wet. Since there's quite a bit of water in alcohol, after the alcohol burns off it will leave the rag wet and unburnt. Since airplane fuel is almost all alcohol (the nitro in glow fuel is less explosive/flammible then alcohol) the same thing will happen.



not true about the Nitro....

If Nitro was not flamable... why would they use it (up to 99% pure nitro) as FUEL for Top Fuel dragsters?

In percentages under 50% nitro 50% methanol ratio... its an accelerant for the alcohol. Get more nitro than methanol... the Nitro becomes the fuel, and the alcohol becomes a coolant. (to keep the temperature of the flame front in the combustion chamber down and prevent blowing the engine apart.)

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RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/8/2004 10:44:23 PM   
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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/9/2004 6:01:35 PM   
volkan



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tested it in flight the other day.
this topic rasied alot of questions at my club!
just thinking, imagine if my FOAM twinstar was on the bench!!!

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/9/2004 6:53:22 PM   
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imagine if my FOAM twinstar was on the bench!!!


It wouldn't be anymore.

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/10/2004 1:08:23 AM   
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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/10/2004 9:25:04 PM   
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Take a fuel jug with very little fuel left, shake vigorously, remove cap, use long lighter! WOW! I'm gonna try it lying on it's side next to see how far it will go! Hey Yall, watch this!


A friend of mine built a potato gun out of PVC pipe and an igniter from a gas grill.. uses a little squirt of glow fuel as the go juice.. shoots a potato pretty darn far... ask my other friend why his plane's nicknamed spud buster....


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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/10/2004 9:35:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		i just heard that this guy straped EXPLOSIVES onto his plane, went out into the desert
and, well you know the rest !!!

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/12/2004 4:53:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nitro isn't more flamable. It just requires less oxygen to burn then alcohol. That's why top fuel dragsters run it. It's similar to slapping a supercharger on your engine, but instead of rammnig more air into the engine, you put in a fuel that requires less air to burn. So..... that means you can have more nitro burning at once then you could with alcohol, hence more power. Alcohol still is more flamable, it just comes down to what burns best in a small chamber.

http://www.powermasterfuels.com/facts3.htm

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/15/2004 7:02:47 PM   
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Take a fuel jug with very little fuel left, shake vigorously, remove cap, use long lighter! WOW! I'm gonna try it lying on it's side next to see how far it will go! Hey Yall, watch this!


try to get the video!

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/17/2004 9:14:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		You said it went up just as you went to move your butane torch?? if it has it's own ignition source mabye thats what happened either you inadvertantly clicked it or it malfunctioned and set of the vapor in the air you did say there was fuel everywhere.

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RE: RE: TRAINER FIRE (not a jet) - 3/17/2004 10:26:26 PM   
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