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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/17/2004 6:58:55 PM

MAC SI MAN

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Just for the record.
Our feedback from the Penang flyers was nothing but positive.
Would be interested if you could substantiate this report for me. We are concerned and would like to find out the source of the complaint if indeed this is the case.
We have heard nothing from the Hobby Stores. I don’t know if no news is good news but from our perspective not a word in the way of direct criticism was forwarded to us. I agree that the stalls may have been better arranged and we certainly aim to improve the situation in future if we decide to host further MAC events.

Attendees for the entire weekend totaled 1900persons give or take a few. The exact numbers of paying visitors is somewhat less than this. During the weekend AirVenture with partner companies hosted nearly 400 children from underprivileged backgrounds to visit the event. Attendance was indeed short of our expectations. One of the main reasons that attendance was down was because the event was held on a holiday weekend and many people left the city on vacation. We regret that we did not foresee this problem. Just for those who think we are gross profiteering from these efforts the mathematics is simple. The event cost in the vicinity of Rm 60,000 to run. We were barely able to recover a third of the cost. As an investment in the future of aeromodelling we felt that it was necessary to conduct MACII in KL come hell or high-water.

Just to add a note here, we have received one email from a participant who cordially thanked us for the effort, time and investment we are making in Malaysia to bring greater awareness to the public in aeronautics and aerospace. To this kind gentleman I humbly thank you.....your words of support come as a welcome and refreshing alternative to most of the negativity we have had to deal with.

"I see the organizers more keen to suck up to some Minister or her close friends than caring for safety. This is a joke. "
I did read it carefully....here is your quote. I cut and pasted from the original article you wrote.
When a minister or the ministers friends come to any event organized by ourselves they will be given every attention that there office deserves. As event organizers I had total confidence in our flight marshals who continued to perform their duties t all times on the field with competence and care.

You refer to events you have managed...aeromodelling?...i don’t remember receiving any offers to assist or aid us in our effort. We could have done with the help I can assure you. I do however extend a note of thanks to those who did willingly give up their time and resources to aid us in our efforts. This, amongst others, includes Thien whom you evidently don’t spare any credit for. His considerable effort was responsible for the visit of the guests from Thailand and Singapore both before and during the event. He also did an admirable job in organizing the competitions that were conducted for the first time in Malaysia. We all know that during situations like these tempers resulting from stress can be a problem. I would hope that the style of your criticism reserved for Thein in your first post, that included language that I found frankly offensive, not reflects your true personality. Whilst we realize that certain historical issues may be the source of discontent to some, I am in no doubt as to the good intentions of all those who chose to assist in organizing this gathering.

Whilst we truly appreciated your support and attendance at this years MACII, I would like to add this as food for thought. How could each individual from the aeromodelling community in Malaysia extend that support in meaningful ways? In future can we expect you to make an effort to encourage people from your neighborhood to attend? Would it be possible to visit schools in your area to inform them of the event? Were there those who spread the word to their colleagues, friends and families encouraging them to join in? What about all those university students who would have most likely extracted a real sense fun and achievement by participating in MACII? These events take true enthusiasm and wit in order for them to succeed. It is each and every one of our responsibilities to extend that realm of awareness and support wherever and whenever possible.

Of particular concern have been the references to the boycott. Evidently from posts I have read here the main reason for that boycott was because of Theins involvement as a partner in this effort.
I will state this.
The actions of those who chose to boycott MACII has resulted in considerable hardship to every single person, be they Malaysian or otherwise, that organized/participated in MACII. The selfishness and downright stupidity of these actions is a source of huge regret to us. Then people have the gall to tell us that their friends, who traveled from afar, did not find MAC II a satisfactory experience. Why I ask......? Only one reason exists in my mind.....and it is because so many of the modelling community chose not to attend.
Imagine the spirit of the gathering had everyone laid aside there differences for 3 days of the year? The fact that spectator numbers were not as high as we had hoped would make very little difference to the spirit of MACII that depended so much on unity and participation from everybody.

Our sentiment at this time is such that we feel like we have been punished for our "errors".I found the critical analysis forwarded by members of this forum to reflect more on personal opinion rather than well prepared argument. Fact gentlemen is that you are sinking the ship (I am sure there is one or more persons here who would be glad of that). Once again the actions of a few have effectively laid waste to any potential for progressing beyond the stalemate that has existed here for so long . I can give you one assurance however, and that is as a result of our experiences at MACII we would be, at this time, very reluctant to continue with conducting this event. The helm is yours but I am not sure the bilge pump is functioning. Steady as she goes...blub blub gurgle

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 4:48:24 AM

_shadow_

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Guys,

I admit not have any experience with MVVS engines (gas or glow)...i chose to stay away from the experience as I have 'seen' and 'heard' enough on how an MVVS runs. Its a personal choice and my opinion.

1. Fuel - 0% nitro....try finding on from reputable supplier / manufacturer.
2. Try making 0% nitro...I know its easy...so go ahead and try or buy from our 'local' supplier...its CHEAP...
3. Try setting up the engine, tuning high end / low end....its sooooo easy...try it and relate the experience to us...
4. Try 'flying' the model the engine is sitting on...tell me how much time you spend flying against tweaking it.
5. Try find for parts when / if they come off...e.g. needle valve, muffler...etc...I know the missing parts are cheap.
6. Try removing the engine for maintenance when the crank breaks or bends... I know its cheap.
7. Try sending the engine in for repairs or for parts purchase... I know they are cheap.
8. Try fixing it back to the model and then repeat step from step 1 above.
9. Try all the above as repeat often as you want

...then...when you have acquired all the EXPERIENCE needed to handle an MVVS.....get an OS and start flying and spend a bit more on fuel e.g. CP or Byron, then calculate the time spent on flying against 'tweaking'.

I have only be flying for 7 years...which is not much of an EXPERIENCE compare to some people who have been doing it for many years and still dont know how to set a computer radio or set an engine properly. So, I guess my experience is not much to quantify...point taken...the proof of the pudding is in the taste.

Go to the various flying fields and watch and learn. Experience it ...

Spend your hard earned money the way you want it and dont forget to have FUN.

Regards
Marcus

PS : The above is MY OPINION and EXPERIENCE.

< Message edited by mchandrasegran -- 5/18/2004 4:58:58 AM >

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 5:25:58 AM

_shadow_

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trinity,

"Owner of a Great Planes Patty wagstaff Extra with a MVVS 58 gasser had too much,has changed for a BME 50.good match maybe ZDZ 48 would do just as fine.If you're worried about weight what's a few grams going to be to a 5Kg airframe."

1. Are you importing the ZDZ 48?...is it a new engine from ZDZ?
2. Few grams? the MVVS 58 is 4lbs (engine only), the ZDZ 40 is 2.9 lbs (engine only)...does 500 grams (1.1 lbs) make a difference in a 5kg plane? 10% weight difference thats the difference !!! its does FEEL different in the air !!

"the EDGE 540 D&l has finally been completed at just over 12 lbs with the 35 cc glow.If i opt for Gas i will have to use a DA 50 or BME 50 imagine the extra weight will be about 13.5 lbs.with prop size and rpms remaining the same."

2. Are you saying that the MVVS 35 glow can swing the same prop at the same RPM as the DA 50?

"I am now testing an MVVS 28 retimed with a 7X6 prop and hitting about 23000 rpm with 15% nitro,will increase nitro and oil if crank shaft survives"

3. Please share with us how to re-time our engines to get more power? this is valuable experience..I am sure a lot of local flyers would like to know.

Regards
Marcus

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 5:53:31 AM

iskandar taib

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Just a few words on my part. I spent all three days there. Most of Saturday, and Sunday morning in the smaller field off to the side.

Safety: Yup, I think things could have been done better, but it wasn't that bad. There was good separation between the spectators and the flight line - something like 50 meters of grass, a horse track, a fence, another 10 meters of grass and a railing. I did not see any spectators leave the grandstand and cross the fence line, though I admit I wasn't watching 100% of the time.

The flight prep tent was a problem, though - there were kids around (most of them belonged to participants), and there may have been a few who strayed into the engine starting area. Then again, having the engine starting area right up next to the edge of the tent was not a good idea, either.

In the future, it would be best to have a 15 meter buffer zone between the tent and the flight prep area. No engine starting behind the line. Who cares if having your pit box in the shade is more convenient. Who cares if you don't like to lug fuel 15 meters. And it takes care of the annoyance of having someone spending an hour tuning a very loud engine ten feet from where you are sitting and trying to have a conversation. I didn't notice the spin, roll and loop competition being particularly dangerous, either. Everything happened beyond the flight line, there was a LOT or space to fly in, and the crashes that took place took place a long way out. The one thing I didn't like were the very fast low plasses practically up against the flight line (you know who I mean). Might be worth moving the flight line out another 20 meters.

Better badge control would be good, too. As per standard convention practice, everyone (organizers, participants, spectators) should be issued a badge, no admittance without showing the badge. People with Spectator badges would not be allowed in the participants' tent, period. And small children, regardless of who they belonged to, would not be allowed under the tent.

As James mentioned, the one frequency related crash was due to someone who didn't register with the frequency control desk, and just went flying. He got shot down. His fault. It happened within the first couple hours Saturday morning.

Boycotts: Come on guys, this is absolutely silly. Sure, the Zagi event was probably meant to promote Thien's product. So what? In the States, there are CL racing classes (usually referred to as Sport Race, Foxy Hazel, etc.) where you can only use a Fox .35 Stunt. The idea is to keep the models more or less even, and the cost down. Lots of participation, Fox often even sends engines as prizes (they don't organize the events, but appreciate the support). Besides, since it was such a tiny part of the overall event, why get so upset over it? Big hairy deal. Nothing to get so bitter about.

Thien: I've only talked to the man once, I've never done business with him, so I have no axes to grind, for or against. I hear he's got a mercurial temper, can be hard to deal with, and many have had problems with him in the past, BUT I also saw him work his rear end off running the frequency control area and organizing the flying. I can't help but wonder if the person who made comments about him "bossing people around" had been told off by him for some reason, at the event. Hey, there's lots of people who are hard to get along with. I can be hard to get along with. Live with it. Some Combat fliers I know are IMPOSSIBLE to get along with, doesn't mean I'll give up flying because of them.

Vendors' area: Yup, it was narrow and cramped. But it wasn't THAT bad. If more space is needed in the future, I'd suggest putting up a tent in the parking lot, or off to the side of the fliers' tent.

All in all, I really enjoyed myself. It was too bad the Singaporean YFC kids were only there Sunday morning, but while they were there, we were flying non-stop over in the CL area. My friend Michael (with a bunch of other Singaporeans in a car) were supposed to show up Sunday, as well, but got lost somewhere in the boonies around KL. They did get to spend some time at the Carnival on Saturday, though.

Iskandar

< Message edited by iskandar taib -- 5/18/2004 6:58:10 AM >

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 6:11:12 AM

iskandar taib

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TRITINY

I am now testing an MVVS 28 retimed with a 7X6 prop and hitting about 23000 rpm with 15% nitro,will increase nitro and oil if crank shaft survives.There are limitations too as to how much the engines can take, the higer the rpm the higher the bhp,so when you look at hp also look at rpm.I,m doing alot of testing on MVVS so contact me if you want help
winston
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Interesting. I have a Magnum .28 XLA with a retimed crank. I was using a Taipan 7x6 prop, wide open venturi, bladder tank, hitting about 95-98 mph on a 400 sq. in. wing on 60 foot .018 lines. Didn't tach it, I think it was hitting 22K. I eventually detuned it for use in Speed Limit Combat (75 mph speed limit) - smaller venturi, 8x4 prop.

I also did the same thing to a Magnum .36, running a 8x6 Master Airscrew Scimitar. Maybe 105 mph with a 550 sq. in. wing. Not shabby, but a Nelson with the same prop would do 115-120 mph at 25K RPM on 10% nitro. Took me to the 4th round at the 2001 Nats (4 kills!), at which point the front of the crank departed. The Magnum has a 12.5mm crank, the Nelson a whopping 17mm crank.

Iskandar

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 6:13:33 AM

MalaysianFlyer

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If you can fit your plane in the car, dont waste money on a bigger car, get a BIGGER PLANE!!!

Climb on it, fly it to the field, get off, fly it around, then get back on and fly home!!!!!

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RE: MalayAsian Hangar - 5/18/2004 6:19:12 AM

iskandar taib

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mchandrasegran

"I am now testing an MVVS 28 retimed with a 7X6 prop and hitting about 23000 rpm with 15% nitro,will increase nitro and oil if crank shaft survives"

3. Please share with us how to re-time our engines to get more power? this is valuable experience..I am sure a lot of local flyers would like to know.

Regards
Marcus

My rather crude technique was published in the December 1990 issue of Model Aviation. Winston's may be more refined.

When you retime cranks for more power at high RPM, you hurt engine performance in other areas. You will only be able to run small props, you won't be able to get the thing to idle nicely, and you won't see the benefit unless you use a huge intake (which means no fuel suction). So it's not for the faint of heart. You should not try it on an engine you can't afford to ruin, nor should it be considered for anything other than racing or Combat.

Iskandar

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