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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/18/2004 5:42 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Hello all, great thread!

    Question for the wise: I purchased a shock flyer with the stock motor setup. I know, go brushless, but I have the stock motor for now. After I get this going and the shocky bug has bit.. I'll probably switch it out.

    On the motor instruction, it says: To insure a glitch-free operation the suppressor filters (capacitors) need to be soldered properly according to the diagram shown. What I see on the motor verses the diagram seem different. It came with 3 capacitors and I do not know what to do. I am a bigtime rookie when it comes to electric r/c. Please help....

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/19/2004 1:07 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Okay Flightcrew I'll try to help you. I haven't used a stock motor but I think the caps have to be wired in series across the 2 lugs of the motor. Caps in series actually reduces total capacitance, this blocks stray DC or feedback and also acts as a power correction device. If you can take a better photo of the schematic I can be sure of the installation. Be sure to make nice solder joints. A cold joint will appear dull and a good solder joint should be shiny.
    Somehow I feel like the caps should be a parralle array however. The number on the Caps should be 104 this equates to .1 micro farads or 6X10^-6 farads. In parallel that would equal .3 micro farads. in series the 3 equals 33.3 pico farads or 33.3x10^-9 farads.
    Take another shot or two of the instructions for me and I'll translate them for you.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/19/2004 1:17 AM   
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    Status: offline     		After another look at the instructions I have your solution. Save your soldering for last.
    first take 1 cap and run each lead into opposite motor lugs.
    Next: 1 lead from the other 2 caps into opposite lugs leaving the other 2 ends to tie together.
    rough up a small area on the motor casing and solder the 2 loose ends there.
    Finally solder the motor lugs and you are done.
    Let your solder pencil get nice and hot, touch the pencil to the lug let it heat for a second or 2 then apply the solder to the lug not the solder pencil. A little solder does the trick. You may need a little more when soldering the leads to the case.
    Let me know if that helps.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/20/2004 4:20 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Thanks Whack,

    With your description to go with the diagram, I get it. I'll do just that and report back. I'm not sure when... guests this weekend.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/20/2004 8:54 PM   
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    Status: offline     		OK my new toys arrived to build my new brushless shocky!! I'll run down what I have and also throw a question or two in there if someone could help a new guy out!?

    AXI2208/34
    CC PH 25 ESC
    Thunder Power 2cell Lippo 860 mAh
    Kokam LiPo-203 charger
    2 props I have are: APC 10x5E and 10x7E

    Questions-
    The AXI shaft sticks thru the back a good 1/2 inch I'll need to dig out that foam to accomodate this ? (No mention of this in the hobby lobby axi mount instructions)

    Has anyone used this dinky little charger? it came w no wires for input OR output..Just jacks. I'm not too sure what jumpers to use either? I want it at 1C mAh Correct?

    These props do not mention slow flight.. They are for electrics, but are they the best to use? If so which of the two?


    Thanks again guys!!

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/20/2004 11:21 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Walt, you need to cut the extra space behind the AXI.
    As for the charger you need banana plugs and a femaile plug to match your batteries to charge with the Kokam charger. The jumpers are used to set the correct charge rate. Exercise extreme caution when setting that charger. If you put a 3 cell setting into a 2 cell pack you will cause a fire. Don't count on any built in safety features be your own safety feature and make sure you set that thing right every time. Stay in the room with the charger while it is doing its thing and check the pack for excessive temp very often.

    Word to the wise. If you are not detail oriented or electronically inclined buy a Triton charger. It wont let you put the wrong settings into the battery.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/20/2004 11:58 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Thats cool Whack I appreciate the advice. I Wouldn't call myself careless at all. But definately NOT electronically inclined so I may check out the Triton. I DO charge and store the Lippos in a fire proof safe.

    Reading the Kokam Manual it appears the Lipo-203 is designed to charge 2 Lipos in a series, which is what I have I assume?
    The jumpers from what I see effect the Cahrge rate which seems to max at 225mA which I *think* is safe for this 860 mAh PacK?

    Man I didn't know I'd have to use my truck battery to use this charger!


    EDIT- Also what the heck does the locking collar on the back the the AXI actually do? Seems the shaft is locked in place already.

    Walt,

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/22/2004 12:36 AM   
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    Status: offline     		If you guys think the standard size shockie flies good, you need a "Super Shockie"!!!!!

    I scaled up a Shockie "Extra" to 40" and use AXI 2212/34 on E-tec 3S 700's or 1200's. This plane (the red one, shown here next to a normal size Edge Clone) is built exactly the same, even with 3mm depron, and all I can say is "Its a Dream"!!!!!!
    Because of the wing loading, it can be slowed down to a crawl while still being perfectly stable!!!!
    I'm going to scale up an Edge now too, and might even go to 44"

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/22/2004 12:39 AM   
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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/22/2004 2:40 AM   
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    Status: offline     		What can I say ....... AWESOME!!!!!!!!
    I really like the yellow edge.

    Nice stuff from the land down under!

    Keep em coming

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    Brushless ..Speed Contoller - 5/22/2004 4:15 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I just got a Shocky and the stock power package. From what I have read it looks like I will be upgrading to a brushless motor pretty quick to get it to fly 3D. My question is: Can I use my GWS ICS-300J speed controller that the LHS shop recommended for the brushed set up (it is rated at 8-15 amps) or do I need a special brushless speed controller?

    Thanks

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    RE: Shochflyer Acc????????? - 5/22/2004 1:04 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Viper, I use a lot of GWS stuff and find it inexpensive and reliable, however The GWS stuff is not top shelf quality. It is in your best interest ot purchase a quality ESC to control your brushless motor. Castle creations makes a great ESC, I also like my Jeti ESC which is available from Hobby-Lobby.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/23/2004 4:07 PM   
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    Status: offline     		CMSRP, really good looking clones!

    They are both 3MM depron? What is your flying weight?

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 12:03 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Thanks wind junkie

    Yes, they are both 3mm Depron.
    The Edge is standard size and is made exactly to the original instructions but uses 2.5mm carbon rod on the leading and trailing edges instead of the 1mm x 3mm strip. It also has a second wing strut for more support. It has an AXI 2208/26, Pheonix 10 esc, E-tec 3S 700 pack (2s 700 pack for indoor), Waypoint 060 servo's, Jeti Rex5 RX, and spins a GWS 9 x 47 prop. All up weight is 220 grams (7.7 ounce). Performance is BALLISTIC!!!!

    The "Super Shockie" is again built to the standard instructions, but uses 3mm carbon on the leading and trailing edges. It too has an extra wing strut, and also has carbon bracing at the rear to stop the twisting.This one has an AXI 2212/34, Pheonix 10 esc, E-tec 3S 700 pack (or 1200's depending on how long I want to fly), Futaba S3108 servos, Jeti 4 RX and spins a GWS 11 x 47 prop. All up weight is 310 grams (10.9 ounce). Performance is GREAT, but not as radical as the "little" shockie. Still plenty of power though...

    Both use lightweight foam wheels from Aircraft-World and are covered by full, depron spats...
    There are no parts from a Genuine Shockie kit used on any of these planes, everything is available from good hobby shops (and Aircraft-World, Japan), and both can be built in around 2~4 hours each.
    Cant wait to build a 44" Edge now...
    I will always have a "little" Shockie to fly, but I am hooked on the big one!!!

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 1:47 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I wonder what RC stuff cost in Australia?
    Here is the first look at my new formosa.She had her first flight today. Powered by a Razor 350 brushless CC Phoenix 25 3s 340mAh 10.4.7 slowfly prop, short and sweet flight. Next step is to get some 3s 2100mAh LiPo's.
    Check out my first airbrush job.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 3:52 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Sounds like you've mastered the imitation, and perfected it for some improv. I'm curious, why did you choose the 2208/26 instead of the 2208/34 on the smaller one? The setup looks the same except for a larger prop on the latter.

    Seb,

    Wow, I go away for 2 weeks, and already you've built another project! Is finals week over yet?

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 4:11 AM   
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    Sounds like you've mastered the imitation, and perfected it for some improv.

    When the shockies were hard to get, a kind gentleman on the otherside of the world sent me the templates of one so I could cut my own Depron. The shockie instructions are available off the net, and I stock the carbon rod, so it was very simple really. Now, 6 months later I have bought all 3 Genuine shockie kits, but cant bring myself to build them; I guess I just want to save the complete kits (And I like doing my own paint schemes to be different from the rest).

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    I'm curious, why did you choose the 2208/26 instead of the 2208/34 on the smaller one?

    The 2208/26 has great thrust figures for both 3S and 2S packs...
    They are both great motors which do the job, I just chose the 26 after much investigation.

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    wonder what RC stuff cost in Australia?

    Terrible!!!! Thats why I get most of my stuff from Aircraft-World...

    Nice Formosa... If you loose sight of that one, you need your eyes checked

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 10:28 AM   
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    Status: offline     		CM, I had to buy a replacement EDGE because my first shocky has taken one heck of a beating. I then picked up the other to models so I too have all three kits. Vertical ts builds some sweet depron planes and later this summer we will be building all sorts of cool 3D foam flyers. I already cut out a mini shocky for a GWS IPS I have, and Vertical gave me a set of plans for a tiny 3D Majestic. These planes ar totally addictive.

    Yeah Wind 3 more weeks till finals, I could not resist. I bought this project to build in late June. I calculate only 10 hours in this project including paint. The Formosa is a great flying plane but it may not be the best 3D foamy and probably wont be good indoors.

    Now I must knuckle down and hit the books for the next 3 weeks.
    Here is a damage photo of my EDGE, which by the way is still flying and hovering.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 2:09 PM   
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    Status: offline     		i just tried a new 1050maH 2 cell pack on my shocky (Typhoon 6, Tsunami 10) and had 16 minutes on my timer and still had plenty of juice left for more flying (lunch break ended). On a 3 cell 850mAH a collegue just got 21 minutes, so i'd guess the 1050maH would go on for a good 25 minutes given the chance!!!

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/24/2004 3:41 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Flew my Superstar shocky this weekend. Axi 2208/34 with a Kokam 2C700mah. Great flyer and all I can say is thanks to you guys on here for all the info, this flies exactly as you all described with this setup.

    Not knowing these packs too well I set my timer for 7 minutes, did the usual hovering, torqueing etc that us so much fun with these. Put back about an average of 300mah after each flight, voltage was about 7.35v at start of charge and ended at 8.4v. What is the usual ball park flight times you are getting with this setup and what is the safe voltage to go to?

    Thanks again.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/26/2004 2:31 AM   
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    Status: offline     		N Wright, I have a 2s 600mAh LiPo that gives me between 8 to 12 minuets of aggressive throttle flight. I could probably go as far as 15 minuets total time. liPo batteries are easily effected by ambient temperature. Cooler weather will shorten flight times, very hot temps could do the same thing. I keep NiMh packs in my flight box as well as LiPo's. They are cheap and keep you flying while the LiPo's are charging.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/27/2004 9:56 PM   
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    Status: offline     		hi guys, i've just brought a Shocky and thought i'd check out for mods.
    i like the added ply parts but i might do them from thin clear plastic i can nab from work, it should be as light or lighter than the ply and you'll still be able to see the oh so pretty graphics

    intended power plant for now is the GWS dual IPS drive on a A box with my knackered old 8.4v 270mAh cells.. makes a Mini Ifo shoot upwards so i should be able to hang just about.

    I was looking for mods along the lines of differnt cuts than shown in the instructions, glad to see the basic layout is right.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/27/2004 10:34 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: phillybaby

    intended power plant for now is the GWS dual IPS drive on a A box with my knackered old 8.4v 270mAh cells..


    There are better choices for a motor than the IPS twin A. If you have a tiny gear puller switch to the S1 gear set to have half a chance you can use the 9.4.7 prop with that maybe a 10.4.7 with more battery. Push your battery to 9 volts minimum and 350mAh minimum capacity. You may have better luck with a GWS 350. Search the threads for more info, once you achieve success please post your results.

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/28/2004 5:48 PM   
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    Status: offline     		i have a puller, but i also have an old IFO thats gonna give up it's gear so thats why this choice of motor.

    i might be able to get a S1 gear set locally ok so if i can i might, but for now i'm gonna build and make it fly.
    i'm i'm gonna get new cells they'll be polys, if new motor brushless.
    does anyone sell a cells, motor, charger & ESC combo that would get you fully set up from scratch that would suit a Shocky?

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    RE: Shockflyer Acc?????? - 5/29/2004 2:56 AM   
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