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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 7/15/2004 5:48:38 AM   
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Some more detailed shots of the truss, the up rights go where the bulkheads would have gone. The notches in the 2 ply wood plates show where the duel “A” frames tie into the fuse, later in the sequence the ¼”2 poplar will get cut out so the pre assembled wing drops in. The 2 diagonals in the front and the diagonal in the back keep the truss from warping after you pull them from the plans. After the 2 sides are aligned over the top view, top and bottom sticks are added. Cross braces are added when the fuse is square. The additional side diagonals are added at that stage as well. The lengthwise sticks, bottom sticks, the up right on the step, and the up right at the front are all poplar the rest is balsa.

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 7/16/2004 2:02:29 AM   
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"Will that work with an HP ink jet copy/printer?"

Will not work with anything but a printer with toner or a copy machine with toner. It's the heat the iron produces that releases the toner to the balsa. The medium in the ink jet is .....INK. It is a liquid, not small particles of, I think, carbon.

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northstar help - 8/11/2004 11:21:43 PM   
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hello,
i bought a seaplane kit about 10 jears ago. it must be the
nortstar by laddie mikulasko. unfortunately i gave up my
hobby at that time and the model was left half finished.
now i re-discovered the plane but the plans got lost in the
meanwhile. i would like to finish it now - maybe anyone
can give me some advice, where to get the plan, or
the necessary informations;
especially i need the "point of balance" (called cg?)
and the angle between the wing and the horizontal
stabilizer and the mounting angle for the engine.
and the size of the stabilizers and ailerons...
thanks
venturi

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RE: northstar help - 8/12/2004 3:18:04 AM   
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Order a set of plans from Radio Control Modeler magazine: http://www.rcmmagazine.com/e/env/0001rk3bKcF320kbNg5e823/store/store-plans-alpha.html?link=/store/store-plans-catalog-tem.html&item=plans:PL-960

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RE: northstar help - 8/12/2004 3:29:15 AM   
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Venturi,plans for the Northstar are available separately from Balsa U.S.A.I can't remember if this model has been recently revised or not and if that is the case,there may be some slight design changes to the plan that may differ from the original version,such as yours.You'll have to clarify that with Balsa USA and see whether these design changes would conflict with the info required to complete yours.Judging from your pictures,you aren't lacking much to complete it.I know that RCM also has plans for the original Northstar and these have not been changed or redesigned since originally published.The down side is that they are more expensive to buy from RCM as compared to Balsa USA.Check out these links:

http://www.balsausa.com/kitplans/itemlist.htp?id=95&shopperid=

http://www.rcmmagazine.com/e/env/0001mhPoNaPvMdIr183Q7Y4/store/rcm-plans.html?link=/store/store-plans.html

For the RCM site,once you get there,punch in #960 where the empty box says plan number.It will direct you straight to the information for the Northstar plan.

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/13/2004 10:06:44 PM   
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After seeing the attached photo, Laddie tried adding canards to his Arrow. His first attempt caused yaw stability problems and he gave up. (Composite photo posted by MinnFlyer)

Anyone else want to take a crack at making them work?

Jim

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/14/2004 1:29:15 AM   
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That seems wierd that YAW stability was effected??

It seems that, if anything, PITCH would be effected....but could be resloved with proper CG rage...

The only problem is you'd need to move the CG SO far forward (if using canards) that you might need to re-locate the engine to the nose (thus, loosing the effect of the fin-mounted engine "cool points" .

This may also have something to do with NOT having prop-wash over the carards as well....so a nose mounted engine would also resolve that issue...

As for the YAW problem....sounds like a bigger FIN/RUDDER is needed...I've found that with my Delta wing designs you have to get the hinge line of the rudder as far back on the plane as possible (behind the trailing edge).....otherwise you loose major effectiveness of the rudder.

There's a very good canard CG calculator:
http://sky.prohosting.com/air2/cg_canard.htm

Good luck if anyone gives it a shot!! Love to see attempts...post pics!! I think it's still do-able!!

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/14/2004 2:49:13 AM   
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Since Jim Peason, the editor of RCM magazine sent me picture of ARROW with canard surfaces added, I have been following chat line discussing ARROW design. I am always encouraging modelers to modify my designs to suit their desire to make design better looking, flying or just experimenting. I really like some of the changes that were done already to it. Some of suggested changes to the basic design I feel are not necessary. There is this notion that using the lead to balance the model is no-no. First of all, the model should not need any lead. On my model I couldn’t put the receiver battery into the nose, because it would be nose heavy. I had to place battery pack into servo compartment. If you are using hard balsa or heavier engine then you might need some lead in the nose. So what. The ARROW will fly just fine when total weight is up to 7 Lbs.
Some suggest lengthening the nose. That is fine if made 6” longer. Any more and you might run into problem on landing. When raising the nose to slow down, the nose might come up unexpectedly and, stalling the model close to the ground. I experienced that on one of my North Stars where I lengthen the nose by 12”. The model was definitely lighter with no lead, but landings were unpredictable.
The ARROW with curved wing tips and the sub fin looks beautiful. I like the shape of the wingtips, but I can see need for small tip floats under them.
On that model I just questioning need to build the fuselage using truss construction. Cutting out fuselage sides from 1/8” balsa sheet is much faster. I had no problem keeping everything square. The plugged in wings will not make the model much heavier if at all.
The ARROW with canard in front intrigued me to such degree, that I took one of my ARROWS and added canard. The canard had + 2 degrees on it. For test flight, I kept elevons and connected canard’s elevator to flap port in receiver. The model took off beautifully and in the air behaved as original design. During level flight, I play with flap control to see how much pitch control the canard gives me. On this one flight, the canard’s elevator was controlling pitch but it wasn’t as sensitive as with elevons. On following flights I changed controls to have ailerons on the wing and elevator on canard surface. The take off from paved surface was longer. During the flight the model was stable in pitch but YAW stability was effected. I fill that turbulence over the canard was blanking off the vertical fin. I added winglets on wing tips. Did not help.
I did not like landings. I had to come in much faster then with pure delta. If I moved C/G slightly back, the sometime model would pitch up unexpectedly close to the ground.
I know that that there is solution to this problem. I hope someone else will try to solve it. My canard delta is back being pure delta wing ARROW. Good luck.

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/17/2004 8:06:43 PM   
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Thanks Laddie for another interesting design.
I have a question regarding the nose wheel set up. Is this intended to be fixed or steerable?
If fixed what retains it and yet is still enables it to be removed for water flying?
If steerable how is the linkage set up; - again to allow removal and also keep it water tight?

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/18/2004 11:47:08 PM   
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Hi Laddie,

I was wondering when you would look at this thread. I added a picture of the “tip step” I added. The plane gets on step almost instantly when you bring it to full power. The only real problem I have had with my Arrow is pitch trim, full throttle requires5/16”+ up trim while idle requires less then 1/8” of up trim. I thought of using a “p-mix” on my Futaba 8UAPS(throttle = master / elevator = slave), how ever it would get over written when I move the elevator have you had this issue with your Arrows Laddie? I am flying the aircraft with a over powered and light K&B .65 sportster and its on the front CG (dry tank). It takes some getting used to but it’s not too big of a deal. The landings are assume, if I could I would attach the video of the aircrafts flight but I’m not sure how to do that on RCU. Mine balanced on the rear CG location with no lead and it only took 3 oz of lead to bring it to the forward CG location, that’s really good with this type of configuration. I have found the easiest way to build a fuse is from a level plane, a lot like how the Top Flight war birds go together, the sheeted truss thing is something I have found to work very well.

The Arrow is a real good design; it’s the easiest way to get on the water that I have found excluding adding pontoons to an existing aircraft. Besides Laddie and me how many other RCU members have flying arrows?

SG

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/19/2004 9:55:01 AM   
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Hi SG,
From my experience with some of my amphibious deltas, the sharper wing tip had more tendency to “dig in” on take off, specially on windy day when water was choppy. Probably you will not experience this since with your K&B .65 engine, the model is on step and in the air fast. As for pitch trim change in idle, I do not experience it. Maybe if you move C/G back little might help. As for how many arrows are flying, I have no idea. I know that number arrows are flying in Michigan area. I will be at Skymaster Float Fly next month.
Laddie.

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RE: Northstar follow up : ARROW by Laddie Mikulasko ! - 8/19/2004 11:35:44 AM   
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I just wanted to pop in and say Thanks to Laddie for (First) letting me take liberties with his design, and (Second) liking it so much that he tried it!

I had a Northstar several years ago that I had a few problems with (Nothing major). But before I could do anything with it my dad kept insisting that it was tail heavy. He was such a nusance about it that I kept adding nose weight (at his insistance) just to shut him up (And I must admit that he DOES know a lot about airplanes, but I think this design was beyond him). At one point, the Northstar was so nose heavy that it couldn't pull out of a dive and was badly damaged.

Ever since that time, I have always wondered how a canard would look on it. I even started rebuilding it once with the canard mod, but then life got in the way, and a year or so later, the damaged Northstar got pitched during a basement cleaning spree.

I still wish I could have had more time with it!

Any truth to the Arrow coming out in an ARF? I'd be happy to do the RCU Review!

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