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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/2/2004 8:23:10 AM   
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Matt,
I just reread all post's and am very confused.


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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/2/2004 3:21:15 PM   
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Hi!

This question requires an answer of the type: "as simple as possible but not simpler".
As is usual the case a lot of contradicting information is spread and hence I will do my best to hopefully make things a little bit clearer ;-).

There are two kinds of brushless permanent magnet motors:

1) BRUSHLESS SYNCHRONOUS AC MOTORS
2) BRUSHLESS DC MOTORS

In principle either of the motor types can be used for modelling purposes but in practice type 2 motors are almost exclusively used nowadays.

First some basic information:
Brushless 3-phase DC motors have 3 windings evenly spaced at 120-degree intervals around the periphery of the motor. The rotor consist of permanent magnets. One end of each winding is connected in common and the other end is free to be driven externally. By placing a positive voltage on one coil and ground on another, a pair of coils forms a polarized magnetic field. Current are applied to the windings in pairs in such a way as to force the rotor to turn in the desired direction. However, since there is no commutator to time the current pulses applied to the windings, brushless DC motors must provide a way to sense the angle of the permanent magnet rotor, i.e. commutation must be performed by the speed controller.

And now for something slightly more complicated:
There are two reasons as for why type 2 motors are dominating the market for R/C aircraft motors:

a) Type 1 motors in general need to be powered by a three-phase sinusoidal current, requiring a fairly complex speed controller
Type 2 motors can be powered by by a set of currents having a quasisquare waveform (in principle direct current pulses that are switched on and off). This can be accomplished rather easily, resulting in a much simpler and possibly more efficient speed controller.

b) In order for the motor to produce torque, the current pulses applied to windings need to be timed so that they occur when the windings are in the correct positions relative to the permanent magnets of the motor.
For a type 1 motor this position must be accurately known and a constant supply of position information is necessary, i.e. a high resolution position sensor is needed.
For type 2 engines only the knowledge of six phase-commutation instants per electrical cycle is needed. What this means is that much simpler positioning detection techniques may be used.
Previously, Hall-effect sensor were used for this purpose but nowadays one usually does away with sensors altogether. This is accomplished in quite a clever way: Although there are usually three windings, hence the name "3 phase motors" only two of the three phase windings are conducting at a time and the third nonconducting winding carries the back EMF to give position information to the speed controller. Over a revolution the three different windings take turns to operate as either current carrying or feedback generating.

Speed control:
In order to alter the speed of the motor, the current pulses applied to the windings are usually pulse-width modulated by a set of power transistors as is the case for ordinary brushed DC-motors. Each winding of the motor is connected to a half bridge, each consisting of two power transistors connected to a common output point that can be driven either to ground or supply voltage. Thus, for a 3-phase motor the pulse width modulating circuit must have six controller outputs that are timed in relation to the position of the windings relative to the rotor permanent magnet. To cause the rotor to turn, two of the six PWM signals must be activated. The torque and thus the resulting speed of the motor is proportional to the duty cycle of the pulse width modulated currents.

/Red B.

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/2/2004 5:09:01 PM   
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quote:

... Brushless 3-phase DC motors have 3 windings ...
Or 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, ... etcetera. The number of coils has to be a multiple of 3. See the simulations above for example

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... One end of each winding is connected in common and the other end is free to be driven externally.
That's a 'star/Y' configuration, there's also the 'triangle/delta' configuration. See the drawings almost at the bottom of this cd-rom motor conversion page:
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/4223215501/CD_Brushless.htm

If you want to know more about this subject, have a look at my signature at the bottom of my messages.

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/16/2004 3:02:51 AM   
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maybe i missed this, but how do esc's brake motors (brushless or brushed)? is it a mild reversed polarity?

ron, can a floppy disk drive really fly a heli?

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/16/2004 8:16:32 AM   
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To use a FDD motor as a direct-drive motor in a helicopter, it has to be rewound and remagneted with stronger magnets:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197862
http://alexrc.com/voytek_pl.html (German and Polish)

Have a look at the foour cd-rom conversion homepages mentioned in the first message of this two page thread:
http://www.rc-unionen.dk/nytforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=368&whichpage=1
http://www.rc-unionen.dk/nytforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=368&whichpage=2



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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/18/2004 5:12:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Red B.
One end of each winding is connected in common and the other end is free to be driven externally. By placing a positive voltage on one coil and ground on another, a pair of coils forms a polarized magnetic field. Current are applied to the windings in pairs in such a way as to force the rotor to turn in the desired direction.

/Red B.


I'm having trouble visualizing how three windings can share a common, and still have a free end to be driven externally, with only three wire comming out of the motor. What am I missing??

Kevin

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/18/2004 7:31:27 PM   
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In a star configuration, the starpoint is floating.

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/19/2004 5:09:36 AM   
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I thihk you mean in a Y configuration.


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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/19/2004 10:55:27 AM   
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star = wye = y
triangle = delta

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/19/2004 5:03:35 PM   
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Got it!

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/30/2004 1:37:42 PM   
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Sorry to be so ignorant, but what determines the direction of rotation?
Is it set by the timing in the brushless speed controller?
Will a brushless speed controller/motor run in either direction with equal efficiency once it is set up?

I am thinking of perhaps moving a motor from a normal tractor aircraft to a pusher model using the original prop.

thanks in anticipation

Jerry

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 4/30/2004 6:32:02 PM   
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Yes, the timing of the electrical pulses that are sent to the motor determines the direction of rotation. Most airplane brushless speed controls can only drive a motor in one direction. You reverse rotation by swapping any two of the three wires running to the motor.

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 6/3/2004 7:38:57 PM   
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Does it matter which direction the wires are wound on each armature looking at them from the end, as long as they are all in the same direction?

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 6/3/2004 8:22:51 PM   
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Yes Flypaper, it matters a great deal. Wind it the wrong way and coils will be working against eachother. Motor will not start or may get hot. Winding direction/diagram depends on the configuration, #statorteeth versus #magnets. A windingdiagram table:
http://www.kcflyingcircuits.com/BLmotors/windingdiagram.html

(uppercase) stands for clockwise winding
(lowercase) stands for counterclockwise winding
(-) stands for an empty tooth.

Eg. AaBbCc means:
phase/wire 1: wind tooth 1 CW, continue to tooth 2 and wind it CCW
phase/wire 2: wind tooth 3 CW, continue to tooth 4 and wind it CCW
phase/wire 3: wind tooth 5 CW, continue to tooth 6 and wind it CCW

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 6/4/2004 3:31:16 AM   
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Thank you Ron, exactly what I was looking for. Now I can wind to my hearts content.

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RE: How does a brushless motor work? - 6/25/2004 7:29:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GeraldO

The speed of the motor is regulated by 'chopping' the current (turning it on-off rapidly) at part throttle. With the current being chopped the average torque is reduced so it spins the load slower. The ESC will detect the loaded RPM and adjust the phase switching timing to match.


That's true, but I guess that the max rpm is limited by the 3-phase's frequency and the number of poles.
The max rpm = 2 x frequency x 60/number of poles

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