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Upgrade it then! - 6/11/2002 2:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then get the torque tube upgrade and be done with it. Personally I would rather have the torque tube anyhow. Nothing against the Raptor at all. Fantastic little heli.

But I think the Hawk with a torque tube drive shaft would be a much more precise machine than the Raptor. After all, the Raptor has the distiquished award as being the sloppiest control system being sold today. It's like built in expo!

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Which Is Best - 6/11/2002 3:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hughes500Pilot
Raptor wins hands down...

The Hawk is an OK heli, but it does not even come close to the Raptor.

As for tail rotor wind up. Yes, it is real. My friend totaled his Hawk because the tail rotor wire snapped in the middle. This does not happen on a belt drive tail.

-Steve [/QUOTE]

it is always easy to blame a mechanical failure after wards... regardless, the chance of a wire snapping is as small as a torque drive braking or a belt slipping/braking or losing "teeth". but a good and regular check and maintenance can minimize any failure...
also i'd rather loose my tail or engine than anything else, since i have a realistic chance to save the heli, this of course depends on the current flight position....


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Which Is Best - 6/11/2002 4:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		<<...the Raptor has... the sloppiest control system...>>

I dunno 'bout that, Payton; ever felt a Sceadu from the swashplate up after it has had a few gallons through it? ESPECIALLY if it has been fluttering due to a not-completely-locked-down collective servo?

I agree that Raptors are not exactly paragons of precision. But they certainly do not have a monopoly on it...

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Slop - 6/11/2002 4:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steve,
Didn't know that about the Sceadu. And I was thinking of getting a Sceadu 50. But I am down to the Falcon 50 SE v2 and the Raptor 50.

Just like low repair cost helis but you have to be willing to deal with various issues in each.

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Choice 50? - 6/11/2002 12:49 PM   
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My vote is also for the Hawk IV or SE in 30 size, even with the stock wire drive. May I suggest that you use the stock, inexpensive wire drive to take you through your training stage. Then upgrade to the shaft system later when you are ready for it.

Needless to say, in the 50 size the Falcon SE V2 is the hands down winner.

H500 pilot:

I have had and seen tail rotor failures with belt drive systems, shaft drive systems and wire drive systems....never blamed the system for the failure. It was always due to improper assembly or improper maintainance (or lack thereof) as suggested by Flmgrip.

I have been at this long enough to have learned not to blame my shortcomings on my machines. If nobody else is having the same problem as I am with their identical system, the problem has always been traced to something I did or didn't do....not to the machine/system.

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Which Is Best - 6/11/2002 8:50 PM   
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The four Sceadus I've looked at all were sloppy as hell. Three of them get flown HARD, and the fourth was fluttering big-time until he was told to lock that servo down. I've never seen that much free-play in a model helicopter, period.

But the amazing thing is that they still fly great; very smooth. The Sceadu is a great-looking machine, too. It's canopy is probably the best-looking bleach-bottle 30 canopy I've ever seen. I'm not so hot about the decals or the fin configurations, but this is still one classy-looking ship.

It is really a bit too large for a 30 engine, being like the baby Sluggo in that regard. And they seem to get sloppy awfully fast, although this slop doesn't appear to degrade the flight characteristics enough to get really concerned about. I think it makes an excellent second helicopter, with enough engine.

I wouldn't mind having one; but I'd put a 46 in it.

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50 Heli - 6/11/2002 9:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have decided to stay away from the Sceadu line. I think over time it will become very nice. Based on history Hirobo likes to "refine" their machines little by little. But, I am simply not a fan. Nice looking heli though. Same for Freya.

I am still considering the Voyager 50. Although, it may be a little to pricey for what I am wanting to do. I plan on crashing. Just a fact of learning new manuevers and pushing yourself. I have crashed only 1 time from a dumb thumb in 12 gallons of fuel. I am doing loops, rolls, 540 stall turns, tumbles, inverted hovering(nose in currently), backwards flight, and working on 100' autos. I feel to limited with a 30. Guess it is from flying my R60. But, I simply can't afford to go through the gallons so quick with the my R60. It is to thirsty! Love flying it though but I don't wish to risk it while working on aerobatics and 3D.

So, the Raptor 50 and the Falcon 50 SE v2 are the top candidates.

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