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taildraggerdave -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 1:39:57 AM)

Your shop is on crack.........




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 4:41:45 AM)

Guy's well I got my new OS 120 Surpass II today in the mail got it from a fellow RCU member that got into sailplanes he had one used and one new for sale and I got the new one[:D][:D] So now I ordererd a Slimline Inverted Pitts muffler for it and I already have an onboard glow for it so I dont need to worry about the plug staying lit on long finals while I get the engine broken in and the Mustang should fly pretty well I think[;)]
Before I fly the plane I need to replace the stock mechanical retracts with the Robart 551RS and the offset P51 style Robo Struts. I really dont want to recover the bottom wing because a gear collapsed plus I want to install struts. How are the stock retracts holding up for you guys that are still using them? Has anyone replaced the gear with pneumatics?
I have asked this question at least twice before since I cant get to the hobby store and the closest one is a Hobby People and they only carry Monokote anyway so here it goes. The Silver covering on the Mustang and the bottom side of the wing where I will need to make some mods to install the Robart retracts. I am guessing Silver Ultracote and I was going to order a roll what do you all think? I would appreciate any help from anyone thats had to patch their plane so I can order it this weekend?
Thank You Viper

Dave, you wrote that you bought an aluminum spinner and sprayed it with the Ultracote paint? Can you tell me which brand and size spinner you bought please? I think its a 4 inch spinner at least thats the closest I can convert from the metric measurement provided in the directions.
Thanks Dave
Joe

PS: Ya Lecs shop owner might "Be On Crack" but unless he has a YS or a pump I dont see how he can draw fuel that far no matter if its in a bank or leve?




MustangAce -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 5:27:47 AM)

As far as the retracts go I have already bought a second set for standby. I bend mine back into position farely frequently for my not so perfect landings on asphalt. No complete collapses so far thanks to the forum info on reinforcing the gear bays with epoxy. A duplicate replacement set is only $22. I am not experienced enough on installing the struts or Robarts for that matter.

This plane rocks!




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 6:13:32 AM)

Thanks Ace, I need to find out which covering matches the silver and find out what color Dave sprayed his spinner with I know its the Ultracote paint.
I will order the retracts and struts on Monday I have to be at my field in two weeks for membership renewal I would love to take me new Mustang to fly.
Viper




taildraggerdave -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 6:38:13 AM)

My spinner is aluminum colored. Or did you mean another Dave?




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 7:09:49 AM)

Dave, I am sorry I thought you had painted your spinner I must be losing it I thought the plane was in this thread too? I measured the backplate on the stock spinner and it was 108mm or roughly 4" what size and brand did you buy Dave? Do you have a picture posted of your plane so I can see how it looks?

I was looking through my big Squadron Signal book today and found a whole squadron of blue nosed Mustangs the 487th fighter squadron flew them in both Band D models. The famous Cripes a Mighty had the blue nose. A little artwork and a couple of decals and you have another plane!
Thanks Joe




cruzomatic -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/12/2005 5:26:50 PM)

Hi, I'm currently about to begin construction on my WM P51D. Thanks for all the information that has already been posted here on this thread. Any other thoughts or mods before I get started that I should know about first. Thanks for any help. My setup will include a Saito 120 FS and thinking about swinging an APC 15x8 prop. Any upgrades to the fuel tank size? Also, I haven't even opened up the box. Can someone please tell me how the hardware is, oh, and if the wheels are foam or rubber. TIA,




MustangAce -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/13/2005 3:41:04 AM)

Just so you guys know I finally purchased a radar gun for my YS110 powered Mustang. It was clocked out of a dive downwind at 139MPH. It felt good to show the naysayers that it could get up to 130!




taildraggerdave -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/13/2005 2:41:52 PM)

That's good to hear but dives don't count....Needs to be straight and level when comparing speeds with other people.




MustangAce -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (2/13/2005 3:15:46 PM)

lol.....I need to do the radaring myself. I'm just too scared to let anyone else fly my plane [;)]




MLC -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/1/2005 2:54:49 AM)

Just picked up my WM P51 tonight. All looks good but one thing, the extension on the vertical stab has been put on off center and the contour of the bottom of the vertical stab does not fit very well. Both items are fixeable but, need to know what covering is needed to match. Anybody know? Maybe I should just try to get a new one all together. Anybody else had this problem?

Also did not get the pilot cap. Just the pilot, mask, and mask hose. Not a big deal as I think I may paint a pilot for it anyways.

Got a Saito 100 comming for it and was curious how it is balancing with this motor? Does it need nose wieght with this set up?




taildraggerdave -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/1/2005 3:47:41 AM)

Not sure about the fit since it has been so long since I put mine together. I do remember I didn't do anything to the vertical, I just glued it it...with thick CA, no yet. Call or email Airborne Models (in Northern California) and ask them what colors and type of covering they use and while you're on the phone, tell 'em you didn't get the pilot helmet.........hope this helps.




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/1/2005 6:21:02 AM)

I am just about to start my Mustang the vertical is fine I dont have any problems mine I can just epoxy my vertical to the fuselage. I am ordering my retracts tomorrow no one has them instock so I am going to have Quantam Models order them and my Robo Struts to go with them and a pair of Robart 3.5" wheels. I am pretty sure the covering is Ultracote so I am getting a rolll of silver with the retracts because I am pretty sure I will need to make some mods to install the air retracts and struts.
I have my new OS 120 Surpass for the plane and I am trying to decide if I want a Slimline inverted pitts muffler or if I want to install a set of Keleo exhaust stacks, Kelvin said he could make them but he told me he needs the engine so I need to talk with him about the exhaust and how long it would take to build them, and how loud they would be. I will most likely go with the Slimline.
Viper




warks62 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/1/2005 8:46:56 AM)

Ultracoat Silver is a match




bbuss -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/2/2005 7:50:31 PM)

Pictures




MLC -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/3/2005 5:24:08 PM)

I got some matching Ultracote and going to fix the Fin. Will be an easy fix and now that I have the matching Ultracote thinking of putting some shoulders on the fuse for the wing.

Started on it yesterday. Got it wrinkle free, fuel proofed all areas, and spread epoxy around in the retract bays. Going to work on installing an antena tube tonight thru the fuse.




rare_bear -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/3/2005 6:55:29 PM)

mine is almost done.

does it matter if the elevator & rudder servos buzz (even at centerpoint) a little. i know that makes them draw more current. what is happening is that the pushrod guide tubes curve a little and the pushrod has a certain amount of friction to overcome as it bends around inside the tube. if it were complelely straight, it would be as smooth as glass. before i connected up the pushrod to the servo, i ran them in and out with my fingers and noted a substantial amount of friction in the rudder tube.

anyway, i have a small 46oz (hitec HS425BB) on the rudder and a 106 oz (hitec HS645MG) on the elevator.

the elevator will stop buzzing within a second from going back to neutral but the rudder continues to buzz.

i am either going to switch to a higher torque on the rudder or strip out the pushrod guide tubes completely and put in some higher quality ones that run smoother. i can either install some sullivan gold-n-rods with the existing steel pushrod inserted down the gold center tube (this eliminates coefficient of temp expansion that the gold-n-rods are noted for) or just go with one of the dave brown fiberglass pushrod setups with 2-56 rods at each end which connect point to point with no friction at all because there are no tubes to go through. either way, i'll have to cut a hole in the bottom of the plane to modify it - so'll i'll probably try the stronger servo approach first.




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/3/2005 7:35:00 PM)

RB, as a general rule for myself I try to set up my radio installs so that the servos dont buzz at all but sometimes they do. However that said buzzing servos when they are at their centers is not good. As you noted it pulls more current from your RX Battery and it can also ruin the servo by burning out the motor. Believe it or not I have had allot of planes with servos that dont buzz. I am installing two new Hitec 605's or 645's on the rudder and elevator, being that my plane will be a little heavy OS 120 Surpass and onboard glow with Robart retracts and Robo Struts I would like 100 ounces on the elevator. I probably will not use the stock steel pushrods I almost never use the supplied pushrods in an ARF kit unless they are very well designed. In the case of your rudder servo I would bet the you have either a side load or top/bottom load from the pushrod pushing on the servo at center. I would fix the problem whatever it takes I know thats a lousy answer but the radio set up should be as smooth as possible. I have worked on some planes for days installing their radio systems. Now all that said you could probably fly that plane but I Would not! I would fix the problem or problems.
I am sure I will catch some flak for my opinion but its how I build a plane be it an ARF or a plans built plane.
Now I am finally getting to start my plane as soon as my retracts and struts come in they needed to be ordered.
Viper




rare_bear -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/4/2005 2:17:08 AM)

i believe i've solved my problem. i took the pushrods out and the part that makes a right angle bend into the servo arm had a slight radius bend to it. not very much but enough to cause binding to occur when the strapper was clamped down with the fuel line. the additional compression caused the servo arm to be pushed into the radius bend causing some binding to occur.

the fix was to take the pushrods out to the vice in the garage and hammer into them a nice tight right angle. then with a very fine file, smooth out any burrs due to hammer whacking. it worked, the servo's are much cleaner now. the low torque servo still buzzes slightly but the high torque elevator servo is buzz free. i will replace the rudder servo with a high torque (which is really overkill in my opinion) to eliminate all buzzing... but since i have an extra high torque servo, i might as well just go ahead and use it.

in my next ARF, i think i'll just gut the pushrod sleeves upfront as i have done on other ARF kits. i'm feeling kind of lazy with this ARF kit and want to get it in the air. i may go back and gut them out at a later point in time. also, i believe that when the engine is running, any slight buzzing might be relieved by engine vibration as that vibration breaks the static frictional forces between the pushrods and tubes thus letting the servo's settle out on a continual basis.




lrrambo -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 2:34:51 AM)

What about powering the Hanger 9 P-51 with a RCV-120? Got a good deal on a NIB one. Comments?
Thanks




rare_bear -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 2:59:16 AM)

a guy tried using one of those engines on a 60 sized p47. although the entire engine fit nicely into the cowl, the prop only rotates at 1/2 the engine speed. therefore, you will need a much larger diameter (and pitch) prop to load the engine properly.

in his case, the prop was oversized for the plane and he kept nicking the runway with his prop. he ended up switching the engine out to an OS160 with a 'normal' sized prop and has been much happer.

i'm not downplaying the RCV engines as they are good engines - but you simply need to consider matching prop to engine to plane/gear height. maybe it'll work out well with a 3 or 4 blade but once again, at 1/2 the revs, you like need double the pitch to get good speed if that's what you're after. if it's scale like speed you're after, then maybe it's just the ticket.




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 3:07:58 AM)

I guess your talking about the 150 version of the H9 Mustang? I don't have much expierence with the RCV but I saw one in a TF 60 size Corsair and the thing had a huge 3 blade prop I dont remember the exact size I think it was a 16x10 that the owner had trimmed the tips and sanded them squared off as per stock. It flew very well about the same as if it had a conventional 91 4 stroke in it. It did have a different exhaust tone than a regular four stroke. The thing that impressed me the most was the big 3 blade prop it really made the plane look cool. Sorry I dont have more info.
Viper




lrrambo -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 3:24:34 AM)

Actually I would like to install it in the 60 size P-51. The RCV-120 takes a APC 15.5X12 -4 bladed prop. Yes, I know it turns the prop at 1/2 speed, a max of 5000 rpm. What stopping me is I live in Phoenix Arizona. I am worried about the summer heat. Anyone know the formula for cooling in an enclosed cowl? I think it is twice the size outlet as compared to the intake?
Thanks




rare_bear -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 4:19:16 AM)

yep twice the size of an outlet is good.

might be worth searching for an RCV forum herein RCU to see if anyone else has had to come up with cooling arangements similar to yours.




viper21 -> RE: World Models .60 size P-51 Mustang--Petie 2nd version (3/5/2005 4:53:09 AM)

There was a good article in one of the scale magazines I am sorry that I cant remember which one but the jist of the article was about keeping your motor cool. They showed several engine installs in tight cowls and they directed the incoming air to the cylinder head with 1/64 ply CA'd to the cowl and then as you mention the out should be twice the size of the inlet. The baffles in the cowlings where said to work great in hot climates? I will see if I can find the magazine this weekend.

As for the RCV the engine I saw in the TF Corsair with a 16" 3 blade looked really scale to me and it moved pretty well it was by no means a rocket but the engine was new so it might get better as the person flew it. Personally I would spend my money on a conventional four stroke.
Viper




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