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thanks for that info, what color blue and gray did u use? im bought some light weight spackle today and sand paper, as soon as i get the ys 45s from YS i will start the 2 kits. The F-18 it way more complex than the F-16 it has leading edge and trailling edge flaps. I have the glass cloth and resign already, so then I would just need retracts and paint = )
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countryboy I noticed u have robo door struts on yours, how do those work and do they add much weight? I wasnt sure about the stock design because when there open what keeps them from flapping in the wind?
As far as operation, the setup works great. IMHO, it is by far superior to the spring wire & spectra string called out for in the instructions. The drawback is as you mentioned...the weight penalty.
Attached is a diagram of the air line routing to the various cylinders, tees & valves. There are a couple of other components not shown in the diagram, and all in all made for a rather complicated setup. If I end up finishing the build, the system will be simplified somewhat from the current setup.
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how much weight countryboy does this setup add? I know everyone says to build them as light as possible, and i assume this is just to make them really fast. I dont really care if the jets is super fast I just want it to fly good and if weight lowers the flying ability and makes it less stable then thats problem.
Update PROJECT CBM BUILD DELAYED ATLEAST 2 Weeks arrrggg. YS is so busy with repairs they dont have time to build me my 2 YS 45s. Richard is going to build them for me but hes just so busy he cant get to them right now. Oh well that just gives me more time to finishing getting other things
which reminds me anyone know what muffler would be perfect for theys 45s and fit good with these models?
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how much weight countryboy does this setup add? I know everyone says to build them as light as possible, and i assume this is just to make them really fast. I dont really care if the jets is super fast I just want it to fly good and if weight lowers the flying ability and makes it less stable then thats problem.
which reminds me anyone know what muffler would be perfect for theys 45s and fit good with these models?
FenderBean,
I can't say for sure what the weight gain is. I did not weigh all the individual components, but I suspect roughly between 7 to 10 ounces. I just knew I wanted something better than the string to operate the doors and accepted the weight penalty.
As for a muffler or pipe, you may try calling Sig and see if they have any of the old Rossi turnaround pipes left like this one.... Makes for a really clean installation having it enclosed & out of the slipstream
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wow that is the perfect pipe, man im just behind the times. All the cool stuff they dont make anymore lol. I will try SIG thanks for info and Im prob going to put door struts on mine to
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What did you find out about the pipe? I'm redoing an F-16 right now, probably to a Thunderchicken scheme, and all I need is a pipe. I have one, but it weighs about twice as much as it should. Please, please let me know if they said they had any more of these pipes, because I have a new, never used YS .45RE, Hatori header, and all I need is a pipe!
Tim
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wow that is the perfect pipe, man im just behind the times. All the cool stuff they dont make anymore lol. I will try SIG thanks for info and Im prob going to put door struts on mine to
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I pulled out an old copy of RC Modeller magazine, Nov 98 issue, that had a review of the CBM F-16N. The author recommended a pipe company called Performance Specialties as a company that could make a turnaround pipe. I've emailed them and will posts their response here when I get one.
Side issue; how much does your F-16N's weigh? Mine is now ready for paint and it weighs 9.5 pounds. Is it a little overweight, or is this about what they weigh. That same article claimed the two planes they built came in at 7 pounds each. I don't have anything exotic in mine and it is built exactly as recommended in the instructions. I cant believe I have an extra 2.5 pounds in epoxy and glass on mine.
Well, mine does have one exotic installation; the two wingtip missile launchers work and can fire Estes rockets. Now if I could just get my hands on some out of manfacture Estes Sidewinders or AMRAAMs!
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hey ookismith is the other F-16 a ducted fan? if so where did u get the retracts for it, those are really scale and since they look to be the same size im sure it would work on the CBM. Also like the panel lines did u just use a pencil and draw them on?. I was going to do mine like the prior pictures with the enemy paint scheme, but the ducted fan looks good with the 2 tone gray. Im trying to find a way to do panel lines and have them look real, so if u have any good ideas let me know
I havent found out about the sig pipe yet my hobby shop is a sig dealier and will find out for me
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FenderBean,
The other F-16 is an Yellow Aircraft F-16A from 1982. If you look close it is actually done in a late 80's/early 90's four-tone grey scheme. I modified it to fit the new scale gear available from Yellow Aircraft. They are a bit spendy and way, way too heavy for the CBM plane. They are very scale though and have available scale wheels and brakes. One thing YA makes that could be used on the CBM plane is decals though. If you are unfamiliar with the YA line look in the Jet section here on RCU or call Shaun at YA or look at his site: www.yellowaircraftplanes.com
Still, I wouldn't recommend thier gear for the CBM plane...way, way too heavy. Did I mention they were heavy? The plan the CBM guys made to make scale gear for the F-16N is good and they look very nice. I'd recommend sticking to the method they developed. I've included a picture of the gear before I installed them. They are on big mounts and did I mention they may be too heavy?
As for panel lines, they were done with a sharpe then clear coated. They were too thick. If I redo them I will either use a fine sharpe or a pencil before I clear coat. I've seen that done and they look pretty good.
Let me know about that pipe; I have an olde Rossi turnaround but its a different model and is not optimal. Post a pic of your plane so we can enjoy it. How much does it weigh?
Tim
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