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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/27/2005 2:45:40 AM   
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Randy, I had not heard that one before - it's great . Thanks, Lee

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/28/2005 12:41:24 AM   
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Randy,

Ditto to Lee's response. At first I thought it was the usual kind of pilot flippancy (if that's a word), but as I took my early morning walk today (the body just would not run/jog!) it hit me that the whole "turn 'em back off" thing was pretty profound.

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 2:50:10 PM   
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The Bronco is no more... structural failure during flight.

Maybe 2 minutes into the flight, I was leveled out, and then the stab broke apart from the right fin. The plane went into a spin and crashed nose first into the ground. At first I thought it was an engine failure, but even bringing the engines to idle could not stop the spinning. Turns out that the stab was being held on by the control horn and ball link, and the front-left of the stab must have raised up and induced the spin.

Damage is considerable, I'm not yet sure if I will repair it. It is repairable, but it will take lots of effort - I have all the pieces and at this point, it's pretty much a jigsaw puzzle.

I had managed to fix the landing gear problem, and with the 9x5 propellors, I could fly scale-like at 1/4 throttle. It was turning out to be a really beautiful flier, which is why I'm perhaps considering a repair job.

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 3:21:32 PM   
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Savi:

Dang!

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 3:54:23 PM   
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That was exactly my thoughts when I got to the plane! The nose of the plane was stuck in mud and water (we're in wetlands)

When the nose connected with the ground, it does appear that the 6.5 lbs of aircraft that was attached to the pod came crashing down upon it. I've counted 33 pieces for the pod, and about a dozen smaller bits and pieces.

The wing is fractured, both top and bottom, but it's mostly sheeting. The annoying bits is the leading edge (I still have it in one piece, just the ribs are in bad shape). and a bad puncture on the underside.

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 4:01:15 PM   
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William:

I've always wanted to build the Topflite DC-3, and now that my poor Bronco crashed, I was thinking maybe I could make this a new winter project (if I decide not to repair the Bronco). I already have all the servos, engines, fuel tanks, etc. In your experience, do you think the OS 25 LA engines would be strong enough for the DC-3?

I compared the wing loadings, and at 10 lbs, the DC-3 would be at 30 oz/sq in. The Bronco was at 35 oz/sq in. Therefore, if I was able to fly well with the Bronco, the DC-3 should be fine no?


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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 4:25:34 PM   
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OH NOOOOO!

Savi, that's terrible. All I can say is you have all my sympathy... after all the research, building, and finishing it must be like loosing a member of the family. (OK, so it's not comparable to the death of a loved one, but it's till gotta hurt.) I know we're not supposed to fly 'em unless we're willing to see them crash, but still... not a way to end the day.

Whether you decide to rebuild the Bronco or do the DC-3, keep us informed.

Fred

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 4:31:51 PM   
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Savi:

With the internal damage to the wing a rebuild would approach building new. By the time you had the booms reassembled the added glue might make your wing loading 45 oz/in2. But in a new build you would know where the structural problems are, and take care of the weak points.

Repair the crashed one without doing any more than needed to support the skin, hang it up for display. Glue the gear doors shut, use your expensive retracts on the new one. Or save them for the time you do build another.

Or if you're over your "Bronco-itis" build an F7F Tigercat. In my opinion a beautiful plane. Hobby Lobby has an ARF Tigercat intended for electrics, about the right size for 25 engines. Just a thought.

The Top Flight DC-3/C-47 is a stand-off scale plane, it has been altered in its planform to make it a good flier. A true scale C-47 is not a forgiving plane, many have tried it and been unhappy. The OS are not my engines of choice as I'm sure you know, but the 25LAs should fly that plane very well.

Whichever way you go, I'm sure the result will be another beautiful plane.

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/30/2005 4:57:41 PM   
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whoops

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The AeroNaut F7F-3 Tigercat scale electric twin engine RC airplane is no longer available from Hobby Lobby. Check out the scale RC electric airplane models below or click here to go to a picture listing of all of the Hobby Lobby electric model airplanes.


Guess not then, but it's an ARF, I rather build my own anyway.

One this is for sure though, I will definately rebuild a new Bronco at some point and change a few things a long the way. As for this Bronco, I'll see in December whether I rebuild or not. This week we're moving into our new home and I'll be too busy to worry about Broncos Or maybe I'll build another Venezuelan model (my wife is Venezuelan, hence why I wanted to build a Venezuelan aircraft).

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/31/2005 3:44:55 AM   
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Savi, I'm very sorry to hear about your OV-10 loss. I think that you would have found as I have that the more you fly it, the more fun it is to fly. I hope you either rebuild it or build another. Mine is such a blast to fly, and I know you would feel the same.

Savi and Fred, I didn't like the stab joining mechanism per the plans so when I built mine I did the following. Underneath the stab on the insides of each fin, I added a wide triangle piece to support the stab. About midway back (chordwise) on the stab, at the stab/fin junction, I drilled a hole downward in the stab through the triangle piece and glued a 4-40 blind nut into the triangle piece on the top of the triangle piece (opposite to what you would normally do). This allows me to screw down from the top of the stab into the stab/fin junction to provide ONE attach point on each side.

Then, I drilled two holes from the outside of each fin into the stab at the stab/fin junction, appx 1/2 inch back from the LE, and 1/2 inch forward of the TE of the stab. These holes go into the stab centered on the stab thickness. Does this make sense? I then glued two 4-40 blind nuts into the ENDS of the stab (total 4, two on each end). Again, these blind nuts are "flat side out", the opposite to what you would normally do. This gives me two screws coming in from the outside of each fin, screwing into the stab, for a total of three hold-down points on each side. You may think the stab end blind nuts or the triangle-mounted blind nut would pull out, but they don't unless you crash. Ask me how I know that. The reason they don't pull out is that the top down screw doesn't allow the stab to move left to right, thereby removing any side stress on those blind nuts. The side screws don't allow the stab to lift or distort, removing vertical stress on the center blind nut.

This three-point hold-down will stop the stab from lifting or becoming misaligned during a high speed run, which sounds like what happened to yours Savi. It also gives you a quick release point if you need to disassemble the aircraft, by just removing three identical screws from each side. If you do this, be sure to have some balsa filler between the sheeting where you drill the fins so the screws won't compress the sheeting. The balsa at the tips of the stab perform this function for the stab.

Also, very big point, is each time I take the airplane out I check the six stab hold-down screws to be sure they are tight. I do that at the same time I preflight everything to make sure wing bolts, clevises, etc are OK. Not obsessive/compulsive, just want to keep the airplane in the same number of pieces as when I brought it to the field .

Savi, I hope you do decide to rebuild. After all, now you have all of those templates you made for the first one (you did save them didn't you), and you'll find that you can probably build it in half the time you took for the first one.

Lee

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 10/31/2005 12:13:56 PM   
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I will rebuild at some point, but maybe not this winter.

The glue joint really failed because the silkspan failed. It was my own fault for making a poor joint. I'm sure that the "stock" joint would have been fine had I made a proper wood to wood glue joint. I was also flying at half throttle when this happened!

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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 11/1/2005 12:10:19 AM   
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Hello Twin-Fans

Well I got my first Arf Bronco off the ground yesterday ( Finally after much tinkering with engines and other small problems )

With 2 OS 45Fx engine ( over powered , only engine I have ) this plane took-off in less than 100 ft. Needed a lot of down trim
but everthing else was great. Flies like a pattern plane but the landing was rock solid and predictable. ( two point landing )

Still need to adjust the engine at half throttle, this plane can fly and land on only one engine without too much problems
Again great flying plane. Now I need to finish my 8 year old royal P-38.[

C Lim
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RE: OV-10 Bronco 52" 3-Blade Prop Size? - 11/1/2005 1:06:53 AM   
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AruMav:

How about a little PhotoShop?

Bill.



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