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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/28/2004 10:20:37 PM   
JohnBuckner



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Status: offline 		Well with a hint like that and the flat engine its most likely the new production Great Lakes.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/28/2004 10:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The question is not what this one is but instead what famous airplane was it the engineering proof of concept for? The famous airplane was manufactured from 1939 thru the early seventies by seven different manufacturers with the last being Mooney.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/28/2004 11:10:58 PM   
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The airplane itself in the picture is more than 60 years old, and it's not a Great Lakes, or a Fleet, or a Detroit-Parks.

And the tail number on your last picture, N567, is currently assigned to a C-310Q based in Tampa Fla.

Mooney's only built two airplanes in any quantity, so far as I know. The Mite went out of preduction in the 50's, and the M20's claim to fame was cramming four people into a cabin just slightly larger than the average garbage can.

Had you said Cessna I'd say the twin booms on the Mixmaster, but as it is I just don't know.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/28/2004 11:17:42 PM   
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Unless it was the Aeronautic Corporation of America, evolving into the 7 series Champ, and later the Citabria.

Gotcha.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/28/2004 11:43:21 PM   
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The question is not what this one is but instead what famous airplane was it the engineering proof of concept for? The famous airplane was manufactured from 1939 thru the early seventies by seven different manufacturers with the last being Mooney.

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Would that proof of concept be a constantly coordinated aircraft that is classified as un-spinnable? The twin booms get the rudders out of the propwash a bit and provide symmetry to help null any turning tendencies due to the propwash. And several manufactures utilized the design, most famously Erco with their Ercoupe, and the subsequent purchasers of Erco's design (Alon & Mooney). There were also others, such as the General Aircraft Skyfarer.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 12:24:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope Bill no Gotcha for you.

Yup Ragwing you got it, The aircraft in question is the Ercoupe, Aircoupe and Mooney Kaydet. The pictured aircraft Is the Weick W-1 later the W-1A designed by the legendary Fred Weick in I think 1935 for a safety airplane design contest and was purchased by the Department of commerce for experimentation. All the control system concepts, mechanical mixers and in addition to the points you mentioned ragwing, an elevator limiter were pioneered in the W-1A


Now to carry this little bit of trivia just a little further: Mr. Weick was co designer with John Thorp of the first of a very successful line of general aviation aircraft that have been produced almost continually from 1961 to this day. What is this other line of famous aircraft?


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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 12:34:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		On that little biplane cockpit if its older than sixty then possibly some of the vintage homebuilt types with steel tube fuse, Maybe a Knight Twister or a Pasped Skylark.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 12:40:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, It almost looks like a Smith Miniplane then. I should have looked closer in the first place and seen that it was a single seat airplane. Don

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 1:27:28 AM   
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This time I'll torpedo you. The Weick/Thorp plane was the Piper Cherokee 140.

On the plane you two still have not identified - not a home built at all, it was in series production. Another hint, it is not American or Canadian. It's marked "Experimental" only because it was never submitted for a type certificate when it was in production.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 3:10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		No torpedo here. Yes you are correct Fred Weick and John Thorp were the co designers of the first Piper PA-28 cherokee. The flying stabilator was the first used on a major US GA aircraft but was used on a few certified Thorp Skyscooters built in the forties when he was still at Lockheed.

I,ve no idea what the little cockpit is.


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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 5:43:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, It also looks like it could be a Bucker Jungmeister with a Lycoming conversion. Don

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 5:44:00 AM   
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Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean about it, but you, Derek, and Don were shooting me down so fast I had to do something.

I'm sure you will recognize the plane in this shot.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 5:56:57 AM   
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Doggone. I shouldhave waited another few minutes before my last post, then I wouldn't have needed to make it.

You're almost right. Bucker made the same basic plane in two models. The radial engined version was the Jungmeister, the flat engine version (in the picture) was the Jungmann.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 6:14:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah Ha, very good eye Don. The Yungmann was a two place ship power by an inverted Hirth and the youngmeister was a single place with the little radial. Just checked the Janes so if that converted ship is single place as it looks then Don is probably right after all but then agine maybe its just got a covered over pit.

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RE: Do you know your CLASSIC Planes ?(Quiz) - 5/29/2004 6:19:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is an interesting one that may be difficult. It is a one off, of the mid thirties by a well known American general aviation manufacturer. It is not a Harlow or a Spartan.

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