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40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300
Cap
  77% (24)
Giles
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(last vote on : 12/22/2007 6:56:59 PM)
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40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 1:53:33 AM   
0tter



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Status: offline 		So... I'm giving serious consideration toward moving into 40% from my H9 33% planes. I may have an opportunity to get my hands on a Carden CAP or a Giles. Both equally equipped with 8411's DA150 and a pretty straight forward build sheet. One note, the Giles is modified with a 3D tail group.

I have been flying for a few years and progressing into 3D (wanna-be). Not real strong interest in IMAC, just flick'n sticks and scaring the heck out of myself (well sometimes).

I don't have any real experience with either planes, nor have I flown a Carden before. So...Watcha think?

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 1:59:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen a 40% Carden Cap fly, pretty awesome!

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 2:20:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Get the Cap... I own two currently and lost a highly modified model a while back, it simply gave up, it succumbed to airframe stress. It was a sight straight and level flight at a reasonable speed and a HUGE KABOOM, the right wing panel exploded off the airframe. The Caps can tumble like no others. If your looking for a 3D trainer neither of these is a good choice, IMO. Edges are hard to beat in this area.

The Giles is heavily loaded comparatively; if they were lighter it would be a keeper. Problem is a full scale Giles is small, accordingly a 40% model is small, specifically wing area and since they carry around the same components and weights as their larger brethren their not all that, IMO...

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 3:14:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		It all depends where it'll weigh in at. Right now I'm rebuilding a 46% Giles G-200 and it's looking to come in at 36lbs. That's hard to beat when you start to compare weights. The builder can make or break a plane. Weight is a major factor in aerobatics. Just something to think about.




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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 3:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Vote would be the CAP

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 3:36:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Neo, you're right weight is a KEEN factor with this model as well as all others; lighter models just fly better typically.

Here’s the problem with the Carden Aircraft 40% G-300. These specs are typical of many 35% models, maybe a little overweight on a head to head comparison.

Wingspan 106"
Length 100"
Wing Area 2200"
Weight 33-35 lbs.

As you can note the wing area is typically 300 inches plus smaller than others in this category. Together with the payload required to rig this model it becomes heavy metal. I have seen several of these built by experienced modelers, albeit it was years ago now. I don't recall any of them being much less than 38lbs..

Now if you could keep it light it would be a killer model, IMO. With today’s lighter engines, stronger servos and lighter batteries maybe you get one down to a reasonable weight. Heck maybe the BME Extreme 110 would be the ticket...

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 11:51:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the kicker..........on my 46%, I'm going to run an older 3W-160B4. It a lot heavier than the 150cc's on the market today, but the weight was needed in the nose. IF the plane wasn't a scale unit..............I would have cut into the tail to take some weight out. I know that another 1 or 2 lbs could have been saved. But I didn't want to mess up the nice rounded fuse and all so I settled on it. Just imagine that plane at 34lbs........that would be fun. Here's a link to the thread I have on the rebuild I've been doing. Let me know what you think.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/46%25_Giles_Rebuild_progress/m_1305765/tm.htm





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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 1:37:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have 2 Carden Giles-300's at the field I fly at. I have flown one of these to small for 40% overweight planes with not enough wing area, and I liked it so much I had to have one of these for myself. These planes fly great. Its a "hot rod" and they will 3D. The plane is typical Carden, its heavier that most others, but doesn't fly like it. I have built all of Cardens stuff and I went with this one because its kinda rare and different. For all out 3D I agree with the Edge thing or Cap but the Giles has a nitch also, its a Carden. As soon as this crazy Northern Indiana weather gets to where I can paint, this one will fly also, IMO, Walt

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 1:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, looks pretty nice KLOTZ. I know the CAP I am looking at comes in at 38lbs, not sure about the Giles. I agree with you also about the Giles standing out. I like the short-stout stance of the Giles, gives it kinda an attitude. The overall size to weight thing does stick in my mind as a "natural" warning.... feathers fly better than bricks....

Thanks for the input, looking for more...

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 10:40:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Id assume that the Cap would be more 3D capable and with a beautiful 3W 150 I would take it over the Giles anyday

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/19/2004 11:20:27 PM   
0tter



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Good thing I have a big tool box in my trailer

Just kidding!!! dont need to start any wars here.

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/20/2004 2:26:31 AM   
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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/20/2004 3:43:46 AM   
0tter



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Status: offline 		he he he..... I am MUCH better now. My Dr. says so and I have a certificate to prove it!

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RE: 40% Carden CAP or 40% Carden Giles 300 - 3/20/2004 3:58:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I flew one of the Giles that Klotz flew. It's for sale in the RCU classifieds. It weighs 34 lbs with a 3W-150. The owner doesn't do 3D, but the airplane flies very well. The wingloading is similar to the 35% Extras.

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