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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/22/2004 11:38:53 PM   
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I have looked at the Spirit fuselage and it's repairable, the wing is going to be a new one from scratch, that damn canopy will have to be replaced. I'm sure one is available somewhere. As soon as I have the Riser 100 finished I'll start repairs. The wing is going to be 3" I-BEAM center section. Smoking Joe









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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/23/2004 1:35:57 AM   
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I saw one being sold on eBay (Spirit Canopy) if you want a new original.

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/23/2004 1:37:10 PM   
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Smoking Joe,

I wrecked my last year. This is how you come out of a wreck better than before you crashed.

My first sailplane was a Great Planes Spirit Select. The plane came ready to
fly with all the electronics installed and a three channel 72 MHZ radio.

It has been a wonderful plane for me. I have enjoyed it very much and would
recommend it to anyone who wants to learn to fly sailplanes but doesn't want
to build. Also it is very cost effective if you don't already have a radio.
The cost of the ARF at about $95 plus a low cost 3 channel Hitec radio with
two standard servos at $60 comes out at $155.

I purchased this plane from Tower Hobbies, all built, for $139. It was
cheaper for me to buy it than build it and I figure I saved myself about 6-10
hours of work. That means more flying time and flying sooner.

Another thing I like about this plane is that it has spoilers built into the
wings. While they are not enabled when you get the plane, they are not too
hard to set-up. I flew about 40 flights without the spoilers. Then I added
them and have really enjoyed learning how to add them to my flying skills.
They work very well.

My Spirit and I have become best buddies. I have mastered hi-start launching
and enjoyed 65 great flights.

I felt it was time to learn the winch, so I received some instruction from the
club wizards in the use of the winch. As part of the 65 launches mentioned
above, about 20 of them were winch launches that were managed by someone else
while I handled the controls of the plane. We knew the plane would winch
launch without problems with a little pedal management.

On my third attempt to winch launch on my own, I messed up and crashed the
plane hard on the launch. I considered the plane a total loss and purchased a
kit. This time I would build one. A new learning step.

Shutterfly photo link
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b3477855454e

As it turns out, the plane was not a total loss. Using the plans from the kit
as a guide, I was able to repair the wings. The damage was less then I
originally thought. The servos I had put in the wings to operate the spoilers
survived the crash. They worked very well, so I will keep them there.

Here is one way to put a motor on a Spirit without permanently mounting it so
you can fly with or without a motor.

MODIFYING THE PLANE FOR AN ELECTRIC REMOVABLE POWER POD

My original interior layout used two CS-61 standard servos which sat under the
wing, which is the standard placement. That arrangement required about 4 oz of
lead in the nose weight compartment for balance. This is pretty typical for a
Spirit, or so I am told.

During my learning period using a winch I crashed the plane which required
lots of repairs. So, I decided to make improvements in the process.

The first change was to embed about 1 oz of lead in the nose block which gets
it about 1" further forward than the ballast box. Then I moved the R/E servos
forward, to the
rear of the receiver compartment. The standard size cs-61 servos that were
already in the plane just fit here and the weight forward helped further
reduce balance weight.

I switched to a Micro 555 receiver, instead of the original 3 channel AM
receiver so I have a channel for motor control. Its small size allowed
me to use reuse the standard servos in this placement.

With this 3 inch shift forward of the servo weigh, a change to the Micro 555
receiver, plus a 1" shift forward of weight to the nose block, I reduced the
net balance lead and end up with a plane that is 2 ozs lighter.

A second change was to switch to golden 'n rod control rods for the
elevator and rudder so I could run them down the sides of the plane. The
standard control rods ran down the center. This opens up the space under the
wing, which is right over the CG, to accommodate a 2100 mah nicad battery pack
to power the Speed 600 power pod.

Now I can convert from sailplane to e-glider at will. Placing the
battery directly over the CG means I don't have to rebalance the plane on the
change over.

With these changes I have a lighter plane and gain the
flexibility to add electric power at will, or have a very convenient place to
add ballast weight when I am flying in heavy wind. I always found it
challenging to find a well balanced place to add ballast. Now it is easy.

If you like the power pod idea, that is about $32 at www.towerhobbies.com.

How's that for making the best of a crash?

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/23/2004 11:44:37 PM   
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AEAJR: You know things always look worse in the dark. After I set it in the corner for awhile it didn't look to bad. The fuselage is repairable, the tail feathers survived with one puncture wound. I think I'll replace the balsa pushrods with Sullivan pushrods and maybe lengthen the nose moment couple of inches. What do you think of 3 piece wing ctr. section reinforced to withstand winch launches and a servo mounted in it for the spoilers? I used your spoiler installation on the Riser 100 spoilers and they work great. The wing is going to have to be totally rebuilt. I can use the old wing rib dies to cut new ribs so it doesn't pose a problem and time is not a consideration. Thanks for the suggestions. Smoking Joe

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/24/2004 12:41:51 AM   
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AEAJR: What do you think of 3 piece wing ctr. section reinforced to withstand winch launches and a servo mounted in it for the spoilers? . Smoking Joe


Not sure I understand. Do you mean a three piece wing? The two outer wings and the two center joined as one?

Not sure of the benefit. Reinforceent is always good as long as it doesn't add too much weight.

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/24/2004 9:20:03 AM   
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AEAJR: You got it, center section with plug in wing tips, easy to do on the Spirit. The center section could be joined, reinforced, without a significant weight gain. Smoking Joe

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 6/24/2004 1:06:48 PM   
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Ahh, yes, I get it. Make the center solid but keep the ends removable for easier storage and transport. Good idea, since the tips take less stress than the center. I would be very interested to see how that comes out.

With the center joined, a servo in the center to operate the spoilers would simplify the spoiler set-up and keep the weight in the center of the plane. You might also be able to operate the spoilers by aileron rods rather than strings which would give you a more positive action.

I can see many benefits to this approach.

If you do it, take lots of pictures and post your progress. I think many will be interested to see how you do it. I know I will be watching.

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 7/3/2004 4:29:50 AM   
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That's sad news.
I've spent three hundred dollars on my Spirit 2 meter.
Sixty dollars on the kit and $240 on nerve pills and anti-depressants getting ready to launch mine after hearing all these horror stories about crashes, wings ripping off during hi-start and such.

Anyone have any advice about building a ship in a bottle?

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 7/3/2004 5:23:32 AM   
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Ship in a bottle? Sure!

Build it light and strong.

Get the right airfoil shape to it and we will put it on the winch and see how it flies!

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RE: 2M Spirit FINISHED! - 7/4/2004 2:47:27 AM   
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AEAJR: 16 straight days of rain with more expected tomorrow, 3 hours of cutting grass, bill from Dr. on CA in eye. What size bottle do you think Spiritcruncher needs and how many? The Riser 100 is almost ready final sanding to all components then covering. The nose on this thing looks like a logger head Turtle. When this project is finished I am going to rebuild the Spirit get it flying again. Then I'm going to just fly for a while, I've had planes on the building board since Feb. Smoking Joe

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ca in eye again? night flying and ufos and get goggles - 7/13/2004 4:22:50 PM   
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same here , so many projects not enough day time {solution} just had to fit neons to my planes and go night flying , you ask me if thermals exist at night , yes , i specked out my 2meter night flyer last night at 12 , try finding that amongst a clear sky at night time , oops lucky i installed a small flare to both wing tips activated by a modified manual speed control on gear servo just in case of that , wow , that sorta gves meaning to the word ufo at night , i had half the street cross from the oval onlooking thinking it was a bomb , well i wont do that again in a hurry , but i got her home safely..

ca in the eye again , go buy goggles man i did...

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RE: ca in eye again? night flying and ufos and get gog... - 7/15/2004 1:07:37 PM   
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flybaby: Not again just Dr. bill from first time. Several club members tried the night flying here in mid 80's with cyalume sticks, they gave out a green glow, we covered one with transparent red monocote for one wing tip and green on other tip and one on winch line. I lost coin toss and went first was one wild night with 5 planes in air several near mid-airs and no runway lights a lot of "hard landings". Would like to try it again though. Smoking Joe

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RE: ca in eye again? night flying and ufos and get gog... - 7/15/2004 1:51:51 PM   
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Loving that bright idea sounds like a plan, have to run some along the landing strip as well though.

Seems to me that an 80's semi success could become the 04 success story

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RE: ca in eye again? night flying and ufos and get gog... - 7/15/2004 4:07:29 PM   
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FLYBABY 101 It would be advisable to keep it to one plane in air as I can't describe how it feels to have been flying wrong plane in the air. Smoking Joe

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