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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 12/4/2004 5:25:53 PM   
aeromister


 

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Status: offline 		I have an orginal Andrews Aeromaster with a OS .91 Surpass in it. It's the old surpass not the Surpass 2. I love this plane so much that I bought another one and stuck it back just in case this one ever goes in. The Surpass weighs less than the 61 FX 2 stroke and sure sounds nice. Performance is not out of site but it does anything I want it too. Takes a while to buid if you do it right.



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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 1/3/2005 2:47:17 AM   
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I shot some video this weekend of my 20 yr. old Super Aeromaster "Lou Andrews" from a Great Planes kit. Click the link below and check it out!

It flys great! Easier than my Goldberg Eagle 2 trainer. I have only been flying for a year! I also must say a RC simulator on the PC has helped greatly. I use the realflight G2.

Rgds.,

http://kpmacaz.rchomepage.com/bipe.wmv

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 1/3/2005 6:20:16 AM   
FlyNow


 

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Status: offline 		Hi Guys,

I love hearing about one of my early RC planes. I built the Andrews Aeromaster as my third RC plane. It was a real builders kit. The toughest part was soldering the metal wing struts and getting the angles right so the wing had the correct angle of incidence and was parallel with the lower wing. It took me several weeks to build and cover the ole Aeromaster. It ended up very nice and was a terrific flier. I used a SuperTigre 60 and it flew great. It did not have unlimited vertical on that early Super Tigre engine, but I'll bet using one of todays hot 60's or 90's you could fly the wings off a plane like this.

Also, I have talked to several guys in our club that say the Astro Hog flies great but the Astro Bipe does not. They said it was much too heavy and tended to be real heavy on the controls.

As for plans for the Aeromaster, I have the orig. set I used when I built this kit back in the late 60's.

When I get home, (I'm in Florida picking up some of my latest RC purchases this weekend, with the greatest wife a guy could ever have, she lets me buy model stuff and never complains. She just smiles and shakes her head) I will dig out the plans and see if they are worth copying. If I remember right, I didn't cut them all up when I built the model. If they will copy, I will let everyone know and try to get copies made.

Thanks again for all the great posts and pictures,
Frosty



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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 3/1/2005 3:18:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like you have had some experience with the super Aeromaster, would you recommend a 4-stroke 91 or would it be better to go with more power (& weight) with a 1.20? Thanks for any input.
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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 3/2/2005 9:14:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I fly mine with a magnum 91 not out of site vertical but great performance
put in all the travel you can on the ailerons and recommand dual servos on ailerons
great flyer very pleasant to fly

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 3/3/2005 2:01:46 AM   
bhady


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the in input, I think I'll go with the .91 also, have given some thought to a 2-stroke, .60 or .75, but I think I'll go with the .91 4-stroke. Again thanks for the input. Looking forward to getting this thing built and in the air!
Brad

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 3/9/2005 2:41:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen several fly. The first one was back in 1964 and it was owned and flown by Norm Holland. He now lives in Florida and is still very active. I remember when he was making a pass one day and the lower wing came off right over the center of the field. It flew along for awhile until someone shouted that the ailerons were in the lower wing. As soon as Norm hit the rudder, it split-sed into the ground. For as hard as it hit, it didn't do alot of damage.

Anyway, his was a neat orange and blue paint job and it had a round cowl on it. Looked great. If I remember correctly, Norm was one of the early Space Control R/C users.

Dave Mathewson and I were teenagers back then. Also had Ed Izzo in the club. FYO, he was the inventor of foam wings or at least was the first one to have an article published on how to make them.

Ah, the memories.

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 11/29/2006 3:57:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Aeromaster is my all time favorite. I learned RC pattern in the late 60's on one. Flew my first competition pattern contest with it and won the contest back in 1969. I was inspired when as a youngster when I saw Ernie Huber put on a demo a the Willow Grove Nats in 1965. I will never forget he had his name painted upside down on the side of the fuse so when he flew inverted his name was right side up. Neat trick I remember it to this day. Great plane and memories.
Mark Radcliff

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 11/29/2006 2:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ernie Huber flew a pre production Aeromaster. Ernie was second to none in building and flying. I worked for Lou Andrews at AAmco in the 60's and early 70's.
Ernie's input was always respected, and he could put on a flight demo like no one else.

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 11/30/2006 3:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a GP Super Aeromaster hanging on the wall... Had a couple of Andrews Aeromasters in the past. and while the airfoils, moments, etc, are the same between the two versions, for some reason, the GP just doesn't fly as well. FYI, the GP also came out a bit heavier with the same covering, engine, and radio. go figure.. Right now, at least until I build another Andrews Aeromaster, I'm having a ball with a Hog Bipe with a Saito 100GK in the nose. Gobs of power, and flies very similar to the old Aeromaster, just doesn't float as well. Times will soon change as i've got yet another bipe almost ready to go. this time it's a Giant Aeromaster. Covered with Stits Fabric, Randolph Butyrate, and powered with a G62. Came in at a shade over 20 lbs (!) which I consider a bit 'fat'. Hopefully, the G62 will pull it around with no trouble. Next on deck is an old Orline Deweyville Special. Still looking around for a good price on an Andrews Aeromaster... If anyone has one they want to do some swapping for, i've got a few kits that need a home. Drop me a PM...

mcmike

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 11/30/2006 11:33:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with you Mike. The Andrews Aeromaster is THE AeroMASTER. An excellent design should be lefet alone, not changed in order to enhance the profit margin or whatever. The Andrews planes came out well balanced and light. The kits also allowed for different combination of straight and swept wings. Most agree the double swept was the way to go.

It's a shame to see a man's work redesigned with an unchanged name. Aeromaster Too? Maybe but the Rand nove "Fountainhead" says a lot about the integrity of doing your own work and leaving the work of others as is.

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 12/1/2006 12:12:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mike,
This is really wild. I revived an Aeromaster forum that hadn't had a post since 2005! Anyway, what got me started I googled Ernie Huber and came up with his autobiography because a friend asked me who had a great influence on my flying in my early years. It was Ernie Huber at the 1965 NATS (before you were born) flying the prototype Aeromaster and the coolest thing was he had his name painted upside down on the fuse so when he was inverted you could read it. As I recall he flew it inverted low and close. It really made an impression. He was one of many of my early pattern heros. FYI here is a link to his bio with some neat period pictures including the Aeromaster.

http://modelaircraft.org/museum/bio/Huber.pdf

I've never me the man and I don't know if he is still living but he sure was a pioneer of RC.
I sold my aeromaster several years ago actually to the guy you were talking to about purchasing a Phoenix 5 from. He stripped the covering but has never recovered it. Maybe I should buy it back! Well Mike good to here from you and looking forward to getting together with you to do some flying.
Mark

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 12/1/2006 4:51:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems Mr. Andrews passed away in the very late sevevties ir early eighties. A true pioneer from the golden age of the US RC modeling heyday. Too bad the efforts of these fine people wound up in the hands of the distributors who took it all offshore.

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 12/1/2006 11:24:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ladyflyer, I think you could look at it a different way, without someone else making these airplane designs, they will be lost forever.
Here is a picture of an Aeromaster prototype that didn't get entirely into production.
Just the wings did.

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RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? - 12/2/2006 1:38:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you PD1.
A couple things. Was this prototype ever shown publicily, say at the Toledo show? I believe I saw it somewhere. I remember because it looked so much like a Bucker Jungmeister which I really like. Second, I couldn't help but notice the poster hanging in the background from the World Championships held in Doylestown PA in 1971. I have the exact same poster because I was there. What an inspiration that was to me as a youngster. I was in high school and my dad and I drove all night and arrived at the worlds on early Saturday morning. It was a treat to watch the US team consisting of Phil Kraft, Jim Whitley, and Ron Chidgey and inspired me to pursue making the US team which I did a total of 4 times (75,77,79,81). Thanks for sharing the memories.

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